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DuckDuckGo has officially embraced AI and big tech
DuckDuckGo 已正式擁抱人工智慧與大型科技公司
Replacement
When degoogling, try not to use DuckDuckGo. It uses AI with ChatGTP which is a big tech company. Not to mention DuckDuckGo refuses to post to Bluesky, which is another sign that it supports big tech.
當進行去谷歌化時，盡量不要使用 DuckDuckGo。它使用了來自 ChatGTP 的人工智慧，而 ChatGTP 是一家大型科技公司。更不用說 DuckDuckGo 拒絕發布到 Bluesky，這是它支持大型科技的另一個跡象。
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Goddammit. I just switched to DuckDuckGo for my browser and search engine like a week ago.
該死的。我一周前才剛把瀏覽器和搜尋引擎換成 DuckDuckGo。
Oh good, someone else who understands my exact reaction to this news.
哦太好了，有人能理解我對這新聞的確切反應。
Long time DuckDuckGo user here ; i hate that it embraced AI. It was perfect without it. Time to use SwissCows
我是 DuckDuckGo 的長期用戶；我討厭它擁抱 AI。沒有 AI 時它很完美。是時候改用 SwissCows 了
SwissCows also has AI
SwissCows 也有 AI
Time to use Is Mozzarella Moose
是時候使用莫札瑞拉麋鹿了
Blue cheese Barracuda is good too
藍紋乳酪梭魚也不錯
Parmesan Peacock doesn't use AI but they host deep fakes of celebrities jet skiing in peacock suits
帕瑪森孔雀不使用 AI，但他們主持名人穿著孔雀裝噴射滑水的深度偽造影片
Some of you have never heard of Pecorino Piglet and it shows
你們有些人從未聽說過佩科里諾小豬，這很明顯
Use Qwant 使用 Qwant
Swisscows Squigelf? Swisscows Squigelf？
Same here 我也是
I switched last night. Wtf…
我昨晚切換了。搞什麼鬼…
Silver lining: you very well know now how to change it again.
一線希望：你現在非常清楚該如何再次更改它了。
To what? 到什麼？
Qwant
https://www.cnil.fr/fr/qwant-cnil-traitement-des-donnees-personnelles-rappel-obligations-legales
CNIL is French National GDPR/Privacy regulator.
CNIL 是法國國家 GDPR/隱私監管機構。
Basically Qwant sent truncated or hashed IP data to Microsoft, thinking it was sufficient for that to be anonymous data. The CNIL said it wasn't enough and so they were in violation of their own privacy policy. In summary a threat model mismatch.
基本上，Qwant 向微軟發送了截斷或哈希處理的 IP 數據，認為這足以使數據匿名化。CNIL 表示這還不夠，因此他們違反了自己的隱私政策。總結來說，這是一個威脅模型不匹配的問題。
Ty 謝謝
Ty 謝謝
Startpage 起始頁面
Startpage uses Google though. Maybe better an alternative like Brave search which has its own index.
Startpage 雖然使用 Google。或許更好的選擇是像 Brave 搜尋這樣的替代方案，它有自己的索引。
"Startpage delivers Google search results via our proprietary personal data protection technology." is what they claim so it's not same as using Google. And seriously, Brave? Just no, never trust a browser that also is trying to sell you crypto.
「Startpage 透過我們專有的個人資料保護技術提供 Google 搜尋結果。」這是他們的聲稱，所以與直接使用 Google 不同。而且說真的，Brave？不行，永遠不要信任一個同時試圖向你推銷加密貨幣的瀏覽器。
Plus Brave is pushing AI in its search also. If the reason to stop using Duck Duck Go is AI, then Brave Search is not the answer.
此外，Brave 也在其搜尋中推動 AI。如果停止使用 Duck Duck Go 的原因是 AI，那麼 Brave 搜尋也不是答案。
Brave is chromium based. Plus I had issues with my bank's website etc when using Brave, which is partly why I switched. Now I have to switch againnnn.
Brave 是基於 Chromium 的。而且我在使用 Brave 時遇到了一些問題，比如我的銀行網站等，這部分原因讓我轉換了。現在我又得再次轉換了。
Pretty much all browsers other than Firefox are chromium based. Safari isn't. Maybe Konqueror.
幾乎所有瀏覽器除了 Firefox 都是基於 Chromium 的。Safari 不是。也許 Konqueror 也不是。
Exactly. Good point. 沒錯。說得好。
Thank you for this info. Didn’t know
感謝提供這個資訊。我之前不知道。
For me it's quite important that Google still is receiving turnover, even though you aren't giving them your data. I try not to support them either way possible.
對我來說，Google 仍然在接收收入這一點相當重要，即使你沒有提供你的數據給他們。我盡可能不從任何方面支持他們。
I thought degoogle, meant you try to stay away from Google. I see now that there is a difference in getting away from Google technologically, for me it's more like a boycott.
我以為去 Google 化意味著你試圖遠離 Google。現在我明白了，從技術上遠離 Google 和對 Google 進行抵制是有區別的，對我來說更像是後者。
Now, don't get me wrong. I am using DDG since a year and don't see myself really switching. Like you say, Brave is another beast itself. But I just want to mention that Startpage isn't degoogled as you maybe would like.
現在，別誤會我的意思。我已經使用 DDG 一年了，並不覺得自己會真的轉換。就像你說的，Brave 本身是另一回事。但我只是想提一下，Startpage 並不像你可能希望的那樣去 Google 化。
I would say try to avoid relying on Google search results because they suck. Or at least they did when it was my primary a few years ago. I use Brave now because they have their own indexer and the few times Brave doesn't find something and I try Google, Google can't find anything either.
我會說試著避免依賴 Google 搜尋結果，因為它們很糟糕。或者至少幾年前當它是我主要使用的搜尋引擎時是這樣。我現在使用 Brave，因為他們有自己的索引器，而且少數幾次 Brave 找不到東西時，我試著用 Google，Google 也找不到。
The mobile app blocks Youtube ads even on iOS without jailbreaking your phone or doing the developer account thing, that's kind of the only thing Brave has going for it.
移動應用程式即使在 iOS 上也能阻擋 YouTube 廣告，無需越獄或進行開發者帳戶的操作，這大概是 Brave 唯一的好處了。
Thanks. You know what, Ive used that one last year. Put it aside because of the pile that advertisers they align before web results. I was daft enuff to click on first results. Finally I read the fine print, I had to scroll down to find the non-advertisment results.
謝謝。你知道嗎，我去年用過那個。因為他們在網頁結果前堆了一堆廣告商的東西，我就把它擱置了。我傻到點擊了第一個結果。最後我讀了細則，我不得不向下滾動才能找到非廣告的結果。
Startpage 起始頁面
Ecosia? Ecosia？
Search.brave.com
Brave. Follow the configuration guide here: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/
勇敢。按照這裡的配置指南操作：https://www.privacyguides.org/en/
Brave also has adopted AI into their browser lol
Brave 也把 AI 整合到他們的瀏覽器裡了，笑死
You can turn off the AI in Brave. IIRC you can disable it on search too.
你可以在 Brave 中關閉 AI。如果我沒記錯的話，你也可以在搜尋功能中禁用它。
Ecosia
I've taken to using a search frontend like 4get that anonymizes queries and then you can select a scraper like google, ddg, etc.
我開始使用像 4get 這樣的搜尋前端，它可以匿名化查詢，然後你可以選擇像 google、ddg 等的爬蟲。
Same. 一樣。
Damn... In the last 24hrs, my to do list is growing faster than I can tackle it. Worst part is I just made the switch a week or so ago!
靠...在過去 24 小時裡，我的待辦事項清單增長的速度比我處理的速度還快。最糟的是我才剛轉換過來一週左右！
Replace Firefox. 換掉 Firefox。
Replace DuckDuckGo. 取代 DuckDuckGo。
Replace YT. 取代 YT。
Hurry up with updating my email with every account/person etc (degoogle).
快點更新我每個帳號/個人等的電子郵件（去谷歌化）。
Wait why are we replacing Firefox I just switched over 😭
等等，為什麼我們要換掉 Firefox，我才剛轉過來 😭
I’m so tired 😭
我累死了 😭
https://www.reddit.com/r/degoogle/s/s63oRNchlf
https://www.reddit.com/r/degoogle/s/s63oRNchlf
And replace it with what?
那要換成什麼？
I switched to Mullvad on my primary pc recently; it's been good so far.
我最近在我的主電腦上換用了 Mullvad；到目前為止感覺還不錯。
Wait what happened with Firefox??
等等，Firefox 發生了什麼事？？
They just announced that they're selling user location data for ads
他們剛剛宣布要出售用戶的位置數據來投放廣告
u/GoProOnAYoYo
IDK if it was identifiable data, though. They claim to anonymize it, but many anonymization schemes do not fully protect users and third-parties have been successfully able to deanonymize users based on multiple data points.
我不確定這是否是可識別的數據。他們聲稱會匿名化處理，但許多匿名化方案並不能完全保護用戶，第三方已經能夠根據多個數據點成功去匿名化用戶。
It's bad, but you can opt out of Firefox's data collection. Just go to settings -> privacy & security -> Website Advertising Prefernces and opt-out of the options you dislike. There's a blanket, single-toggle for all of them. It takes about ten seconds.
這確實不好，但你可以選擇退出 Firefox 的數據收集。只需進入設置 -> 隱私與安全 -> 網站廣告偏好，然後選擇退出你不喜歡的選項。有一個統一的開關可以一次性關閉所有選項。這大概只需要十秒鐘。
What's bad is that the new data collection options were auto opt-in. It should have been clearly announced to users.
糟糕的是，新的數據收集選項是自動選擇加入的。這應該清楚地告知用戶。
https://www.reddit.com/r/degoogle/s/s63oRNchlf
Damn. thanks for the heads up
該死。感謝提醒
what? why Firefox? What did i miss again? 😭
什麼？為什麼是 Firefox？我又錯過了什麼？😭
https://www.reddit.com/r/degoogle/s/s63oRNchlf
yes, i read that. But why? What is the reason to replace firefox?
是的，我讀到了。但為什麼？有什麼理由要替換 Firefox？
I'm guessing people just got overly alarmed over this
我猜人們只是對這件事過於驚慌
Why Firefox??? 為什麼是 Firefox？？？
https://www.reddit.com/r/degoogle/s/s63oRNchlf
Did you find a yt alternative yet ?
你找到 YouTube 的替代品了嗎？
How about Librewolf, Startpage and Peertube?
Librewolf、Startpage 和 Peertube 怎麼樣？
Same! I feel so fatigued by this. Alas! We keep pushing forward.
同感！我對這件事感到非常疲憊。唉！我們還是得繼續前進。
Same 相同
Hello from the Duckside. All of our AI features are totally optional. If you don't want them, you can turn them off in search settings.
來自鴨子側的問候。我們所有的 AI 功能都是完全可選的。如果你不想要它們，可以在搜索設置中關閉它們。
We think privacy is a human right, we don't collect any search or browsing history, and we're a private, independent company. Last time we checked, big tech isn't any of that 🦆
我們認為隱私是一項人權，我們不收集任何搜索或瀏覽歷史，而且我們是一家私有的獨立公司。上次我們檢查時，大科技公司沒有一項符合這些條件 🦆
Then make them optional, and not automatically turned on.
那就讓它們變成可選的，而不是自動開啟。
Defaulting them on is pretty skeevy
默認開啟這些功能相當令人不安。
If they're truly optional, they should be ducking opt-in for quacks sakes. Love the work you all do but this is a misstep.
如果它們真的是可選的，就應該讓用戶主動選擇開啟，看在鴨子的份上。喜歡你們的工作，但這是一個失誤。
Haha I get it - "duckside" like "DARKSIDE" that you have become.
哈哈我懂了——「鴨子側」就像你們變成的「黑暗面」。
Screw this I'm off to Ask Jeeves.
去他的，我要去問 Jeeves 了。
I delete cookies by default. So now every time I open my browser I need to navigate to settings and turn the AI off?!? Yeah no thanks. Time to switch to a different search engine.
我默認刪除 cookies。所以現在每次打開瀏覽器，我都需要導航到設置並關閉 AI 功能？！？不，謝謝。是時候換個搜索引擎了。
You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness!
你曾是那個被選中的人！據說你會消滅西斯，而不是加入他們！為原力帶來平衡，而不是讓它陷入黑暗！
Yall fucked up and you know it. Bye.
你們搞砸了，你們自己也知道。再見。
While I appreciate that the AI "features" are optional, I second everyone saying that they should be opt-in, not opt-out. It's especially irritating anytime I open a private window and find them re-enabled. On top of being a privacy and environmental nightmare, I've yet to find any generative AI tool useful in any meaningful way. Given their lack of any actual intelligence and ongoing propensity for "hallucinations," I don't appreciate generated content being shoved in front of the thing I'm actually searching for. It doesn't save me any time if I have to fact-check the stupid summary every time; if anything, it takes more time than a search that brings up real sources.
雖然我感謝 AI「功能」是可選的，但我同意大家的說法，它們應該是選擇加入，而不是選擇退出。每次我打開隱私窗口時發現它們重新啟用，這尤其令人惱火。除了是隱私和環境的噩夢外，我還沒有發現任何生成式 AI 工具在實際上有任何用處。考慮到它們缺乏真正的智能，並且持續傾向於「幻覺」，我不喜歡生成的內容被塞在我實際搜索的東西前面。如果我每次都要核實那些愚蠢的摘要，它並沒有為我節省時間；如果有的話，它比搜索真實來源花費的時間更多。
Long time user, don't ruin a great service with AI. Deal breaker!
長期用戶，不要用 AI 毀掉一個優秀的服務。這是個交易破壞者！
Using StartPage Now! 現在改用 StartPage！
I'm so tired of this giant marketing hype bubble called "AI" that's shoved into every facet of our lives while doing practically nothing to make our lives better. No one asked for this junk to be shoved into our search results. This was a huge reason to jump from Google to seek an alternative. If I want AI, I'll go out of my way to seek it out. I do not want it coming to me.
我受夠了這個被稱為「AI」的巨大營銷炒作泡沫，它被塞進我們生活的每個角落，卻幾乎沒有做任何事情來讓我們的生活變得更好。沒有人要求把這些垃圾塞進我們的搜索結果中。這是從 Google 跳槽尋找替代品的重大原因。如果我想要 AI，我會主動去尋找它。我不希望它主動來找我。
Fuck you and the "if you don't like it, don't use it" bullshit. I *won't* be using it, because you've completely lost a user. Thousands of us, potentially.
去你的「如果你不喜歡，就不要用它」的廢話。我*不會*用它，因為你們已經完全失去了一個用戶。可能是成千上萬的我們。
Just the fact that you HAVE ai as an option at all is a betrail.
僅僅是你們有 AI 作為一個選項這一事實，就已經是一種背叛。
Bad look, bud. 這看起來很糟糕，夥計。
Was about to say, what the duck!?! But then you arrived and helped educate us. Thanks for the tips as it is easy to locate within the settings.
本來想說，這是什麼鴨子情況！？！但後來你來了並幫助我們了解情況。感謝你的提示，因為在設置中很容易找到。
Don't turn them on by default. Come on.
不要默認開啟它們。拜託。
Why? Why have you ruined this for us? /s
為什麼？為什麼你們要毀了這個？/s
Well I did the same yesterday. I switches from Opera to DuckDuckGo. I don't wether it's good to switch back to opera? And now I see that Ecosia also has a browser and not only a search engine.
好吧，我昨天也做了同樣的事情。我從 Opera 換到了 DuckDuckGo。我不確定是否應該換回 Opera？現在我看到 Ecosia 也有一個瀏覽器，而不僅僅是一個搜索引擎。
Switch to firefox. You'll be able to use great adblockers like uBlock Origin that are broken on Chrome forks. You can also select any search engine. I use Brave, but you can use Ecosia, DDG (probably shouldn't though), and others. There's a list of them by default to pick through and if you don't like them, there's still more options. On Android, you can use extensions. On iOS, I recommend Brave Browser because it has better adblock than Safari extensions do, and no iOS browsers support extensions yet.
換到 Firefox。你可以使用像 uBlock Origin 這樣優秀的廣告攔截器，這些在 Chrome 分支上已經失效。你也可以選擇任何搜索引擎。我使用 Brave，但你可以使用 Ecosia、DDG（可能不應該）、以及其他。默認有一份列表供你選擇，如果你不喜歡，還有更多選項。在 Android 上，你可以使用擴展。在 iOS 上，我推薦 Brave 瀏覽器，因為它的廣告攔截比 Safari 擴展更好，而且目前還沒有 iOS 瀏覽器支持擴展。
Nope. Firefox flipped to the dark side just the other day. HARD. I'm having to replace it too.
不。Firefox 前幾天也轉向了黑暗面。非常徹底。我也得換掉它。
Can you explain what Firefox did? And what did you switch to?
你能解釋一下 Firefox 做了什麼嗎？你換到了什麼？
Read their new tos.
閱讀他們的新服務條款。
What did they do? I've been using LibreWolf and Fennec which don't have proprietary blobs, at least?
他們做了什麼？我一直在使用 LibreWolf 和 Fennec，至少它們沒有專有的二進制文件？
How do you use Brave or Ecosia as default search on Firefox? When I go into settings, the only choices I have are Google, Bing, DDG, Amazon, Wikipedia, and eBay. Do I need to install an extension?
你怎麼在 Firefox 上使用 Brave 或 Ecosia 作為默認搜索引擎？當我進入設置時，我唯一的選擇是 Google、Bing、DDG、Amazon、Wikipedia 和 eBay。我需要安裝擴展嗎？
https://community.brave.com/t/add-brave-search-to-default-search-engine-option-of-firefox/515904
This set of steps should work for Ecosia as well.
這組步驟應該也適用於 Ecosia。
From Firefox settings, click on search, select default search engine, and then select add search engine. Copy and paste the Ecosia url into the string search url line and save the changes. The url for to use for Ecosia is: https://www.ecosia.org/search?method=index&q=%s
從 Firefox 設置中，點擊搜索，選擇默認搜索引擎，然後選擇添加搜索引擎。將 Ecosia 的 URL 複製並粘貼到字符串搜索 URL 行中，然後保存更改。用於 Ecosia 的 URL 是：https://www.ecosia.org/search?method=index&q=%s
I literally just did this about the same time arrerrggghhh
我剛剛也做了這個，差不多在同一時間 arrerrggghhh
This is optional.. you don’t need to use their ai thing.
這是可選的……你不需要使用他們的 AI 功能。
I just started using Brave.
我剛剛開始使用 Brave。
Rip 安息
Same here 我也是
Same. An actual 7 days go. TBH, not a fan.
我也是。實際上是 7 天前。說實話，不太喜歡。
Now what? 現在怎麼辦？
Same 😤 一樣 😤
Same! Ugh…. 一樣！唉……
Me tooooooooo…… 我也是啊啊啊啊……
start page is infinitely superior.
起始頁面無限優越。
I've started using Startpage and really liking it so far.
我開始使用起始頁面，到目前為止真的很喜歡。
What's the next cool search engine?
下一個酷炫的搜尋引擎是什麼？
SAME
I was kind of suspicious. duckduckgo has never been synonymous with privacy for me
我有點懷疑。對我來說，duckduckgo 從來就不是隱私的同義詞
Time for duck duck to go
是時候讓鴨鴨走了
DuckDuckNo
Duck Duck Go to the polls
鴨鴨去投票
when they started putting ups ads on TV I got more suspicious of them
當他們開始在電視上投放廣告時，我對他們更加懷疑了
I had never seen these advertisements, but it must be very contradictory for such a "private" browser to appear on TV 💀
我從未見過這些廣告，但對於這樣一個「私密」的瀏覽器出現在電視上，這一定非常矛盾 💀
I mean, not really? If you see an advert for a safe it doesn't mean they're bad safes, it just means they have some money in their marketing budget.
我是說，不一定吧？如果你看到一個保險箱的廣告，並不意味著它們是壞的保險箱，只是意味著它們在市場營銷預算中有一些錢。
More money on marketing means less money on the product. If a new product comes out and gets advertised like crazy it's probably a bad product. For example all the vpns that exist and have been sold off to one big vpn company vs ProtonVPN and MullvadVPN which are only fairly recently starting to advertise more.
更多的錢花在市場營銷上意味著更少的錢花在產品上。如果一個新產品推出並瘋狂地做廣告，那它可能是一個糟糕的產品。例如，所有存在的 VPN 都被賣給了一家大型 VPN 公司，而 ProtonVPN 和 MullvadVPN 直到最近才開始更多地做廣告。
DuckDuckGo isn't a new service but they don't even control their indexer so you might as well be using Bing to begin with.
DuckDuckGo 不是一個新服務，但它們甚至不控制自己的索引器，所以你一開始還不如使用 Bing。
There is no logic in this train of thought
這種思路毫無邏輯
What? Do you think you have to sign a corruption contract to advertise on TV?
什麼？你認為在電視上做廣告必須簽署腐敗合同嗎？
https://youtu.be/v553XndeczI?si=a9mxR693vsTYSf4Z here you go
https://youtu.be/v553XndeczI?si=a9mxR693vsTYSf4Z 給你
Some people even said they allowed certian microsoft trackers
有些人甚至說他們允許某些微軟追蹤器
oh yes, I have a few sites saved where they said the same thing about microsoft trackers. which is strange because duckduckgo keeps pressing the privacy key
哦，是的，我保存了一些網站，他們也說了同樣的話關於微軟追蹤器。這很奇怪，因為 DuckDuckGo 一直在強調隱私
They've been flirting with Amazon before and people here were like that's fine..
他們之前一直在和亞馬遜調情，這裡的人還覺得沒問題..
I’ve never liked em, same as Brave.
我從來不喜歡他們，就像 Brave 一樣。
you were realistic. brave is also not synonymous with any privacy, just wasting time with those failed cryptos
你很現實。Brave 也不等同於任何隱私，只是在那些失敗的加密貨幣上浪費時間
Don't forget Brave's VC funding
別忘了 Brave 的風險投資資金
DDG is good people with a pretty sterling record on privacy. They aren’t Brave, and this seems to have been carefully considered. I don’t see the privacy harm here.
DDG 是好人，在隱私方面有相當出色的記錄。他們不是 Brave，這似乎是經過深思熟慮的。我在這裡看不到隱私危害。
How long until they realize that we do NOT want AI on our search let alone everything else apparently
還要多久他們才會意識到我們不希望在搜索中看到 AI，更不用說其他一切了
Never, big corporations suck at understanding the customers.
永遠不會，大公司在理解客戶方面很糟糕。
The goal isnt customer value, its machine learning to replace workers with AI
目標不是客戶價值，而是用 AI 取代工人的機器學習
Shareholder value comes before the customer experience
股東價值優先於客戶體驗
You are not the customer. You are the product. They understand products...
你不是客戶。你是產品。他們理解產品...
even when you are the paying customer they still just think of you as cattle to be milked
即使你是付費客戶，他們仍然只把你當作可以擠奶的牛
Most people consume whatever they're being presented and overshadow those who are aware of, and consider their options.
大多數人消費他們被呈現的任何東西，並掩蓋那些意識到並考慮自己選擇的人。
No they don't, they just don't care what customers want anymore ... if they ever did.
不，他們不是，他們只是不再關心客戶想要什麼...如果他們曾經關心過的話。
They do understand their customer.. Its just we think we are their customer.. We are their financiers.. Customers are the shareholders
他們確實理解他們的客戶..只是我們以為我們是他們的客戶..我們是他們的資助者..客戶是股東
They’ve had to implement it. If you follow how Google has destroyed it’s own search engine (and by extension everyone else’s) by allowing years of SEO abuse and purposely made it harder to get desired results to keep users on the search page for as long as possible, the camels back is broken.
他們不得不實施它。如果你跟隨 Google 如何通過允許多年的 SEO 濫用並故意使獲得所需結果變得更難來摧毀自己的搜索引擎（並延伸到其他所有人的搜索引擎），駱駝的背已經斷了。
They’ve had to add the AI capabilities as no one can sift through the results and find anything anymore so they’re abandoning Google search resulting in way less revenue potentially which ironically they’ve got around by jacking up the prices in the last two years.
他們不得不添加 AI 功能，因為沒有人能夠篩選結果並找到任何東西了，所以他們正在放棄 Google 搜索，導致潛在的收入大幅減少，這諷刺的是，他們在過去兩年中通過提高價格來解決這個問題。
In a nutshell, they broke it and now they’re trying to stick an AI bandaid over the top and hope for the best.
簡而言之，他們搞砸了，現在他們試圖在上面貼上一個 AI 創可貼，並希望最好。
https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/
Thanks for the link, it’s a fascinating piece
感謝鏈接，這是一篇引人入勝的文章
A fellow Better Offline afficionado in the wild
在野外遇到一位同為 Better Offline 的愛好者
Poor Ed sounds like he’s about to have a cardiac over the Valley’s shenanigans half the time lol
可憐的 Ed 聽起來有一半時間都因為 Valley 的惡作劇快要心臟病發了，哈哈
Apples+bananas🍌🍎🔥🔥 蘋果+香蕉🍌🍎🔥🔥
😢😢😢
They've invested too much on this tech. They'll shove it down our throats if necessary
他們在這項技術上投入太多了。必要時，他們會強迫我們接受
Which ironically is also how foie gras is made: forcing unwanted stuff down ducks throats
諷刺的是，這也是製作鵝肝的方式：強迫鴨子吞下不想要的東西
I don't think it's a matter of realizing or understanding... they just dont give a f... they will shove things down our throats against our will just to steal and control
我不認為這是意識到或理解的問題...他們根本不在乎...他們會違背我們的意願，強迫我們接受事物，只為了偷竊和控制
They gotta take their spying, tracking & profiling to the next level, and AI is corporate/government nirvana for that exact purpose, willfully embraced by the masses....
他們必須將他們的間諜、追蹤和側寫提升到新的水平，而 AI 正是企業/政府為此目的的理想選擇，被大眾自願接受...
Agreed. Uneccesary AI being implemented into every single app and service is annoying
同意。每個應用和服務都強行加入不必要的 AI 真是煩人
They have no other ideas for innovation but have to have constant growth or they consider themselves failures, so they're acting like shitty, half-working AI is a revolutionary new feature that everyone should want.
他們沒有其他創新的想法，但必須保持持續增長，否則他們認為自己是失敗的，所以他們表現得像那些半吊子的 AI 是每個人都應該想要的新革命性功能。
They did realize it which is why you can disable it?
他們確實意識到了這一點，這就是為什麼你可以禁用它？
you can't forever tho. i disable it every time it pops up in a search result and in a few weeks it's back again.
但你無法永遠禁用它。每次它在搜索結果中彈出時我都禁用它，幾週後它又回來了。
You set it to "never" in the AI settings area of your site settings and it comes back?
你在網站設置的 AI 設置區域中將其設置為“永不”，但它還是回來了嗎？
yes, repeatedly. 是的，反覆地。
OK 好的
Can you interpret that? lol wth kind of question is that?
你能解釋一下嗎？哈哈，這是什麼問題？
Pepsi 😿 百事可樂 😿
Pepsi 😿 百事可樂 😿
What do you mean "we", mammal?
你說的「我們」是什麼意思，哺乳動物？
Who actually doesnt like ai though? I'd be willing to bet more people like ai on google search than not. It's convinient when i want to find something and not actually have to click on links and try to find an article that's good.
實際上誰不喜歡 AI 呢？我敢打賭，喜歡在 Google 搜尋中使用 AI 的人比不喜歡的人多。當我想找東西時，它很方便，不用點擊連結並試圖找到一篇好文章。
It has its uses. The real antagonists are the websites that use fluff on their sitemaps to drive traffic while making you scroll through said fluff in their articles just so you can get your answer
它有其用途。真正的反派是那些在網站地圖上使用冗餘內容來驅動流量，同時讓你在文章中滾動瀏覽這些冗餘內容，只為了讓你找到答案的網站。
Never used it. Not once. I WANT to find things and make my own desicions.
從未使用過。一次也沒有。我想自己找到東西並做出自己的決定。
Get a grip. The world doesn't revolve around you and your militant principles. Most ddg users will probably appreciate the AI summary function. Don't be weird about it.
冷靜點。世界不是圍繞著你和你的激進原則轉的。大多數 ddg 用戶可能會欣賞 AI 摘要功能。別對這件事太奇怪。
Silence 沉默
Honestly, a lot of people do. A lot of people are ignorant about the negatives, or simply don't care. They just want something else to do the legwork for them, and assume it will be correct. Watch technology connections' vid on algorithms, it's a good one
老實說，很多人都是這樣。很多人對負面影響一無所知，或者根本不在乎。他們只想要其他東西替他們做繁重的工作，並假設結果會是正確的。看看技術連接的算法視頻，這是一個很好的例子。
It doesn’t matter we want since they’re paid more by the sponsors.
我們想要什麼並不重要，因為他們從贊助商那裡賺得更多。
So what search engine should I switch to now?
那我現在應該轉用哪個搜尋引擎？
Use a good SearX instance. Nothing can beat SearX for privacy, and on a good instance results are pretty satisfying. https://searx.space/
使用一個好的 SearX 實例。在隱私方面，沒有什麼能比得上 SearX，而且在一個好的實例上，結果相當令人滿意。https://searx.space/
I personally use my own instance, which you can access here https://katkatgo.fr
我個人使用自己的實例，你可以在這裡訪問 https://katkatgo.fr
you can also add a liitle trick to make it seach straight from the search bar
你也可以加一個小技巧，讓它直接從搜尋欄進行搜尋。
Don't leave us hanging :)
別讓我們等太久 :)
Depends on the browser. Chromium-based, it should show up in your search options and you can set it as the default. In Firefox, when you visit the URL, right-click in the address bar and you can add it to search, then you can set it as your default.
這取決於瀏覽器。基於 Chromium 的瀏覽器，它應該會出現在你的搜尋選項中，你可以將其設為預設。在 Firefox 中，當你訪問 URL 時，右鍵點擊地址欄，你可以將其添加到搜尋中，然後你可以將其設為預設。
Ok ,gone test it for 6 months.
好的，我會試用六個月。
just switched to searXNG from DDG a few weeks ago, and it’s been working great
幾週前剛從 DDG 轉到 searXNG，效果一直很好。
I'm gonna use Ecosia
我打算用 Ecosia。
I use ecosia. I will say, it's noticeably worse! But, I don't really mind tbh.
我用 ecosia。我得說，它明顯更差！但老實說，我不太介意。
Duckduckgo wasn't very good to begin with. It was simply NOT google or AI enabled which were its main benefits.
Duckduckgo 一開始就不太好。它只是不是 Google 或 AI 驅動，這是它的主要優勢。
To be honest, not even Google it good now... I just search "something reddit" and pray...
說實話，現在連 Google 都不好了... 我只是搜尋「某個東西 reddit」然後祈禱...
I honestly end up just looking for a subreddit related to what I'm looking for & searching for posts on that subreddit more than I go to a search engine at this point
老實說，我現在更常尋找與我想要的東西相關的 subreddit，並在那個 subreddit 上搜尋帖子，而不是去搜尋引擎。
Google has never been good since 2014.
自 2014 年以來，Google 就從來沒好過。
Edit: They must have made some major changes, I used to search "white american inventors" and get all black inventors. Not that race matters, but that was a big scandal for years
編輯：他們一定做了一些重大改變，我以前搜尋「白人美國發明家」會得到所有黑人發明家的結果。不是說種族很重要，但這是一個多年的重大醜聞。
I tried DDG for a while and absolutely hated it. It's a shit search engine that turns out shit results. The breaking point for me was when I searched an unusual fish species by scientific name. DDG gave me 2 results for the genus and nothing for the exact species, followed by a bunch of results that weren't even related to fish. It mostly looked like paid advertising. I wanted to see a fish, not buy a new lamp!
我試用 DDG 一段時間，結果非常討厭。這是一個爛搜尋引擎，出來的結果也很爛。讓我崩潰的點是當我搜尋一個不常見的魚類學名時。DDG 給了我兩個屬的結果，但沒有該物種的結果，接著是一堆與魚無關的結果。看起來大多是付費廣告。我想看的是魚，不是買新燈！
Ran the same scientific name through google and had dozens of links to articles, pictures and even a few YouTube videos.
用 Google 搜尋同樣的學名，結果有幾十篇文章、圖片，甚至還有一些 YouTube 影片。
I would very much like to move off Google but I can't find a competing engine that's nearly as good.
我非常想離開 Google，但我找不到一個能與之媲美的競爭引擎。
I only recently started using DuckDuckGo. I have been using ecosia for a couple of years, on both laptop and phone, and the only issue I found is that the image browser is pretty bad. as a colleague of mine said: "trees👍"
我最近才開始使用 DuckDuckGo。我已經用了 ecosia 幾年，在筆記本和手機上，唯一發現的問題是圖片瀏覽器很糟糕。正如我的一位同事所說：「樹木👍」
In my experience, Yandex has been the best image searcher nowadays. Feels as good as old Google image search. Only issue with Yandex is that they’re Russian.
根據我的經驗，Yandex 是現在最好的圖片搜尋器。感覺就像舊的 Google 圖片搜尋一樣好。Yandex 的唯一問題是他們是俄羅斯的。
Mojeek
They also have an AI assistant :-(
他們還有一個 AI 助手 :-(
This looks like a good option
這看起來是個不錯的選擇
Ecosia asks me to disable my adblocker. I'm not ok with that
Ecosia 要求我停用廣告攔截器。我不太能接受這一點
I mean... the money to plant trees need to come from somewhere. Tbh, i use Ecosia, but it shouldn't be quoted on a "degoogle" subreddit in my opinion, because it uses Bing and Google to get the results, and have the IA thing too. The only reason for me to use it are the trees, also i like their transparency on what they waste money every month with.
我是說...種樹的錢總得有個來源。老實說，我用 Ecosia，但我認為它不應該在「去谷歌化」的 subreddit 上被推薦，因為它使用 Bing 和 Google 來獲取結果，還有那個 AI 功能。我使用它的唯一原因是為了種樹，而且我喜歡他們每月公開資金使用情況的透明度。
Edit: typo 編輯：錯字
(perhaps you already acknowledge this: )the whole point of the search engine to raise funds for planting trees. some people could use that reminder as they might not have noticed theyre blocking ads on the website they intend to support with ads. also i think its worth noting that ecosia doesnt require you to turn off the adblocker
（或許你已經意識到這一點：）這個搜尋引擎的整個目的就是為了籌集資金種植樹木。有些人可能需要這個提醒，因為他們可能沒有注意到自己在他們打算透過廣告支持的網站上屏蔽了廣告。另外，我認為值得注意的是，Ecosia 並不要求你關閉廣告攔截器。
Somebody has to pay for server space and if you don't want to pay for it, the money has to come from somewhere
總得有人為伺服器空間買單，如果你不想付錢，這筆錢就得從某處來。
Ecosia uses bing as index IIRC and also have partnership with OpenAI for some AI (there is 'chat with AI' there under search, which I think is just chatgpt).
如果我沒記錯的話，Ecosia 使用 Bing 作為索引，並且與 OpenAI 合作開發了一些 AI 功能（在搜尋下方有'與 AI 聊天'，我認為那只是 ChatGPT）。
The only resonably looking search with it's own index I found so far is https://www.mojeek.com/ (from UK). I didn't switch to it yet tho.
到目前為止，我找到的唯一一個看起來合理且擁有自己索引的搜尋引擎是 https://www.mojeek.com/（來自英國）。不過我還沒切換過去使用。
Startpage 起始頁面
https://kagi.com/ Be the customer not the product.
https://kagi.com/ 成為顧客，而非產品。
if im not the product why does it make me sign up to use a search engine
如果我不是產品，為什麼它要我註冊才能使用搜尋引擎？
Why pay for search?
為什麼要為搜尋付費？
Because it's not a free search engine, you can try 100 searches for free but you have to subscribe after that
因為這不是一個免費的搜尋引擎，你可以免費試用 100 次搜尋，但之後就必須訂閱。
ah so they get my data and my money
啊，所以他們既拿我的數據又拿我的錢。
Do just a bit of research. They don't want your data. They do want your money. That's what makes you a customer.
稍微做點研究。他們不想要你的數據。他們確實想要你的錢。這正是讓你成為顧客的原因。
I've been trying out Kagi and am liking it so far. It's a subscription service, but the entry tier is pretty cheap and has proven to be more than sufficient.
我一直在試用 Kagi，到目前為止感覺不錯。這是一個訂閱服務，但入門級別相當便宜，而且已經證明足夠使用。
Startpage .. if all they say is true, and I see no reason to doubt, it looks pretty impressive. Used it long ago, switched to duckduck, switched back just now.
Startpage...如果他們所說的一切屬實，而且我沒有理由懷疑，看起來相當令人印象深刻。很久以前用過，後來轉到 DuckDuckGo，現在又轉回來了。
Kagi
PSA Kagi works with Yandex, meaning part of your money that you pay for Kagi goes to a russian government affiliated company.
PSA Kagi 與 Yandex 合作，意味著你支付給 Kagi 的部分費用會流向一家與俄羅斯政府有關聯的公司。
Been a pretty happy Kagi user for over a year now.
我已經是一個相當滿意的 Kagi 用戶超過一年了。
used kagi for some months, problem is it is a tad expensive. Especially as others are free.
使用 Kagi 幾個月了，問題是它有點貴。尤其是當其他選擇是免費的時候。
I prefer to pay to protect privacy when I can. Nothing free lasts forever unless you are the product
我寧願在有機會時付費來保護隱私。沒有什麼免費的東西能永遠持續，除非你就是產品本身。
Configured DDG is free BraveSearch is free Startpage is free
配置好的 DDG 是免費的，BraveSearch 是免費的，Startpage 也是免費的。
I wouldn't also mind paying, but 12.5 usd (taxes) a month is steep. 5usd would be a no brainer
我也不介意付費，但每月 12.5 美元（含稅）有點貴。5 美元的話就毫不猶豫了。
Why does it need an email tho
為什麼它需要電子郵件呢？
Good question. 好問題。
Kagi is in even deeper with AI
Kagi 在 AI 方面投入更深。
Same! Their search and Assistant plan is pretty competitive vs having Anthropic and OpenAi subscriptions.
同感！他們的搜索和助理計劃相比擁有 Anthropic 和 OpenAi 訂閱來說相當有競爭力。
Kagi
I'm using Qwant for a week and I think it's the best one for me in this moment
我已經使用 Qwant 一周了，我認為它目前對我來說是最好的選擇
I've been using it for a month, i had to disable that AI search, but beside that it's perfect for me
我已經使用它一個月了，我不得不禁用那個 AI 搜索功能，但除此之外，它對我來說是完美的
Mojeek? Mojeek？
Is Brave Search good?
Brave Search 好用嗎？
Brave has AI too
Brave 也有 AI 哦
brave still runs on chromium, i don't trust them
Brave 仍然基於 Chromium 運行，我不信任他們
U can use brave search on any browser. I don't know how privacy friendly it is though.
你可以在任何瀏覽器上使用 Brave 搜尋。不過我不確定它的隱私友好程度如何。
https://search.brave.com
Using it by default. It's all compromised. I turned AI off and get to block sites...for now. Qwant sukks too and Startpage.
預設使用它。一切都妥協了。我關掉了 AI 並能封鎖網站...暫時如此。Qwant 也很爛，Startpage 也是。
Brave is the next best bet for me in the case of search relevancy, especially for regional content.
對我來說，Brave 是搜尋相關性方面的次佳選擇，尤其是針對區域內容。
I've been fairly satisfied with Brave
我對 Brave 相當滿意
brave 勇敢
Been playing with mojeek and kagi, myself
我自己一直在玩 Mojeek 和 Kagi
Kagi is the only correct answer here. You do have to pay for it, but that’s actually a good thing.
Kagi 是這裡唯一正確的答案。你確實需要付費，但這其實是件好事。
Brave Search, Tempest Search, or Yep
Brave Search、Tempest Search 或 Yep
Mabye freespoke 也許 freespoke
Kagi is my absolute fave.
Kagi 是我的最愛。
Presearch. I don't know why more people on this sub don't embrace it. 100% decentralized and anonymous.
Presearch。我不明白為什麼這個 sub 上的人不更接受它。100% 去中心化且匿名。
i'm afraid i don't see the issue here. DDG is being transparent about their use of AI to summarize search results. they offer a simple opt-out in settings if you prefer not to see/use said feature.
我恐怕看不出這裡的問題。DDG 對他們使用 AI 來總結搜尋結果是透明的。如果你不喜歡這個功能，他們在設定中提供了一個簡單的退出選項。
Having reviewed their privacy policy regarding duck.ai they claim to not store your prompts on their servers and they act as a proxy of sorts between you and the models used such that your ip and pii isn't directly transmitted to said model.
在審查了他們關於 duck.ai 的隱私政策後，他們聲稱不會在你的伺服器上儲存你的提示，並且他們在某種程度上充當了你和使用的模型之間的代理，這樣你的 IP 和 PII 就不會直接傳輸到該模型。
if you don't like AI, thats fair. i'm not a huge fan myself. but i think its shortsighted to think a tech company such as DDG isn't going to utilize AI. I'm just glad they appear to be doing so responsibly, giving you the option of using open models versus strictly closed ones, allowing for easy opt-out, and plainly spelling everything out in straightforward terms most of us should be able to understand without a law degree.
如果你不喜歡 AI，那很公平。我自己也不是很喜歡。但我認為認為像 DDG 這樣的科技公司不會利用 AI 是短視的。我只是很高興他們似乎在做這件事時負責任，給你使用開放模型而非嚴格封閉模型的選擇，允許輕鬆退出，並以大多數人應該能理解的直白語言清楚地說明一切。
Honestly, this is a fair balance. The AI features are there for who wants them, and ignorable for everyone else.
老實說，這是一個公平的平衡。AI 功能是為想要的人準備的，對其他人來說可以忽略。
If it’s an option, that’s a damn sight more flexibility than Google or Microsoft or Amazon or any of the myriad companies that are forcing the usage of these AI ‘tools’.
如果這是一個選項，那比 Google、微軟、亞馬遜或任何其他強制使用這些 AI '工具' 的公司提供了更多的靈活性。
AFAIK only Apple and now DDG have made it optional. There may be others but they aren’t ones I’ve been using.
據我所知，只有蘋果和現在的 DDG 讓它成為可選的。可能還有其他公司，但我沒有在使用它們。
I use the html version of DDG. No AI there to speak of. I'm tired of the new internet running solely on Javascript.
我使用 DDG 的 HTML 版本。那裡沒有 AI 可言。我已經厭倦了新網路完全依賴 JavaScript 的情況。
What about web assembly? :) Web apps are cool
那 Web Assembly 呢？:) 網路應用很酷
I'm using a web app version of reddit through Firefox now. It's a bit of work to get some of my web apps running with all the privacy extensions, but it's worth it. I still have a few more to go, but I'm trying to replace as many standalone apps with web apps as I can.
我現在通過 Firefox 使用 Reddit 的網路應用版本。讓一些網路應用在所有隱私擴充功能下運行需要一些功夫，但這是值得的。我還有一些要處理，但我正在盡可能用網路應用取代獨立的應用程式。
This should be the top comment, I just went in and opted out of the AI tech, took all of 30 seconds
這應該是頂部評論，我剛剛進去選擇退出 AI 技術，只花了 30 秒
Fr, can we get some more upvotes on this one? I'm really getting sick and tired of posts misrepresenting a topic/ article (sometimes because the poster didn't read or research it themselves), and then 90% of the commenters just read and reiterate what the poster said, which is often lacking context and/ or is outright incorrect.
真的，我們能給這個評論多點讚嗎？我真的很厭倦那些誤導主題/文章的帖子（有時是因為發帖人自己沒有閱讀或研究），然後 90% 的評論者只是閱讀並重複發帖人說的話，這些話通常缺乏上下文，或者完全錯誤。
While I'm sure many people here hate any thpe of AI integration in general, DuckDuckGo's approach here is a nice balance between keeping up with the new technology and innovations, while also maintaining a semblance of consumer choice. Maybe it isn't perfect, but it's a far cry better than all the forced AI integration we see being shoved down people's throats, without a choice, in a plethora of other products and services.
雖然我確信這裡的許多人討厭任何形式的 AI 整合，但 DuckDuckGo 在這裡的做法是在跟上新技術和創新的同時，也保持了消費者選擇的平衡。也許它並不完美，但比我們在其他產品和服務中看到的強制 AI 整合要好得多，那些整合沒有選擇，被強加給人們。
That’s the beauty of Reddit. Raise up the voices you want to hear to build a better community.
這就是 Reddit 的美妙之處。提升你想聽到的聲音，建立一個更好的社區。
I was thinking the same thing. They probably made this decision thinking it would keep them competitive with the other engines doing the same exact thing
我也在想同樣的事情。他們可能做出這個決定是認為這能讓他們與其他做同樣事情的搜尋引擎保持競爭力
The fact it is opt-out and not opt-in is concerning for a browser that people use for privacy
對於一個人們用於隱私的瀏覽器來說，它是選擇退出而不是選擇加入，這令人擔憂
Sure, but unlike other companies that bury things - ddg is being up front about it
當然，但與其他公司隱藏事情不同，DDG 是公開透明的
I can't say I'm a huge fan of the direction AI is going in, but I agree with you. I don't see the issue here. I'm open to having my mind changed, but from what I can tell the implementation is transparent, responsible, and optional. :/
我不能說我是 AI 發展方向的超級粉絲，但我同意你的觀點。我在這裡看不到問題。我願意改變我的想法，但據我所知，這個實現是透明、負責任且可選的。:/
The people on this sub have such childlike minds lol. COMPANY BAD. TECHNOLOGY BAD. AI BAD. AI BAD EVEN IF GOOD. It's so black and white to them. They don't appreciate any kind of nuance on the topics they have deep biases in.
這個 sub 上的人們有著如此幼稚的思維。公司壞。技術壞。AI 壞。即使 AI 好也壞。對他們來說，一切都是非黑即白。他們對他們有深刻偏見的話題沒有任何細微差別的理解。
I feel like the lack of nuance in opinions is becoming more than an online problem. It’s become a cultural problem.
我覺得意見中缺乏細微差別已經不僅僅是一個線上問題了。它已經成為一個文化問題。
Agreed. It’s long been the norm to hate anything you don’t understand, but this is ridiculous.
同意。長期以來，討厭任何你不理解的東西已經成為常態，但這太荒謬了。
I raised my three kiddos telling them I didn’t always have to agree with them but whatever the topic - if they held an opinion they’d better know why and be able to defend their stance - sort of the ol’ “stand for something or fall for anything”.
我養育我的三個孩子時告訴他們，我不必總是同意他們的觀點，但無論是什麼話題——如果他們持有某種觀點，他們最好知道為什麼並能夠為自己的立場辯護——有點像那句老話 '為某事站出來，否則就會為任何事倒下'。
People would rather grandstand and grab pitchforks than bother trying to understand how any of this actually works.
人們寧願高談闊論並拿起乾草叉，也不願費心去理解這一切到底是怎麼運作的。
Nooo stop using your braaain AI BAAAAD >:(
不，停止使用你的大腦，AI 壞壞 >:(
They SAY they won't store data but, until proven otherwise, I'll take this as a lie. AI has proven time and time again that it doesn't work unless it straight up steals data. I don't see why this one is different at all
他們說他們不會儲存數據，但在證明之前，我會把這當作謊言。AI 已經一次又一次地證明，除非它直接竊取數據，否則它無法運作。我看不出這個有什麼不同
You have no idea what you're talking about.
你根本不知道你在說什麼。
Providing a text summary of results is pretty far and away from stealing data
提供搜尋結果的文字摘要與竊取數據相差甚遠
OP has an extensive history of trolling. The post may be technically true, but is clearly designed as ragebait.
OP 有豐富的釣魚歷史。這篇帖子可能在技術上是真實的，但顯然是設計來引發憤怒的。
Cool, nothing like the wet blanket of logic to ruin their day.
酷，沒有什麼比邏輯的濕毯子更能破壞他們的一天了。
Yeah people are very hyper reactive these days
是啊，現在人們非常容易過度反應
But… but… AI BAD
但是…但是…AI 不好
in other words, this post is probably a bot from big tech. lmao
換句話說，這篇貼文很可能是大科技公司的機器人發的。笑死
I agree. This kind of technology is making its way into everything and it will not be avoidable. It's better to stick with parties who seem to be using it responsibly.
我同意。這種技術正滲透到各個領域，無法避免。最好還是支持那些似乎在使用這項技術時負責任的團體。
They are being transparent, so it is my main seach
他們很透明，所以這是我的主要搜索
Just turn it off. Settings -> AI Features - Manage -> Chat/Assist to Off/Never
直接關掉它。設定 -> AI 功能 -> 管理 -> 聊天/助手 -> 關閉/永不
Don't tell Reddit that. They want to run around with their pitchforks
別告訴 Reddit。他們想拿著草叉到處跑
It's the principle of the thing. We don't want AI in our search results at all.
這是原則問題。我們完全不希望 AI 出現在搜索結果中。
…so, turn it off like they just said.
…所以，就像他們剛才說的，關掉它。
iTs tHe pRinCiPlE tHo
這可是原則問題啊
i liked the completely irrelevant footnote about which social media they don’t currently use
我喜歡那個完全無關的腳註，提到他們目前不使用的社交媒體
it's more about the principle, is it not??
這更多是關於原則，不是嗎？
In my personal opinion, no. Duckduck needs to stay on par with competition, so they integrate new features. But I'm with cusoman, it should be opt in, not opt out.
在我個人看來，不是。Duckduck 需要與競爭對手保持同步，所以他們整合了新功能。但我同意 cusoman，這應該是選擇加入，而不是選擇退出。
Should be opt in, not opt out.
應該是選擇加入，而不是選擇退出。
You're right about that
你說得對
I keep having to do this. Its so annoying.
我總是要這麼做，真煩人。
Yeah. I delete cookies and history automatically when I close my browser. Now I have to go change this setting literally every time. Easier to just switch search engines.
是啊。我關閉瀏覽器時會自動刪除 cookies 和歷史記錄。現在我每次都要去改這個設定。換個搜索引擎更容易。
Let me tell you something interesting, the settings are saved in the cookies ;)
告訴你一個有趣的事，設定是保存在 cookies 裡的 ;)
Exactly. That's why it's a dumb and annoying decision. Anybody who cares about privacy deletes cookies. So making it on by default forces you to go into settings and opt-out every time you open your browser. For a company that claims to care about privacy, this decision is extremely hypocritical.
沒錯。這就是為什麼這是個愚蠢且煩人的決定。任何關心隱私的人都會刪除 cookies。所以默認開啟這個功能，迫使你每次打開瀏覽器都要進入設定並選擇退出。對於一個聲稱關心隱私的公司來說，這個決定極其虛偽。
I agree with you that opt-in was the way to go, but face it, cookies are the way to save settings. There's no way around it.
我同意你說的選擇加入是更好的方式，但事實是，cookies 是保存設定的方式。沒有其他辦法。
That makes so much sense. Guess I'm changing search engines.
這很有道理。看來我要換搜索引擎了。
FWIW it’s had this AI box at the top of some results for months. At least for me it’s never been filled in, it just offers the option to summarize results. Is this a change or more of a formal announcement?
順便說一下，這個 AI 框已經在某些結果的頂部出現幾個月了。至少對我來說，它從來沒有被填滿過，只是提供了總結結果的選項。這是個變化還是更正式的公告？
That's what I'm wondering. Because if its something different then ya I will swap.
我也在好奇這個。因為如果是不一樣的東西，那我肯定會換。
It's literally just a screenshot with someone's opinion.
這真的只是一張截圖加上某人的意見。
Don't follow blindly.
不要盲目跟隨。
They didn't link to any info, and don't explain the relationship to Bluesky.
他們沒有鏈接到任何信息，也沒有解釋與 Bluesky 的關係。
Maybe DuckDuckGo should consider NOT using any of those OpenAI supported AI models, but they use a privacy wrapper and are likely just doing it to try to keep up.
也許 DuckDuckGo 應該考慮不使用任何那些由 OpenAI 支持的 AI 模型，但他們使用了一個隱私包裝器，可能只是為了跟上潮流。
I'm not going to abandon them based on a screenshot and some random surface level opinion.
我不會因為一張截圖和一些隨意的表面意見就放棄他們。
I've seen this on the app for a while now too. They always said it was anonymous, not used for AI training, etc. I guess if I trust the app itself is not tracking me, then they'll do the same for any AI stuff? But I haven't used the feature either.
我在應用上也看到這個功能有一段時間了。他們總是說這是匿名的，不用於 AI 訓練等等。我想如果我信任應用本身不追蹤我，那麼他們對任何 AI 功能也會這樣做？但我還沒用過這個功能。
Since when is refusing to post on bluesky a sign of supporting big tech? This is an unreasonable standard.
從什麼時候開始拒絕在 Bluesky 上發文成了支持大科技公司的標誌？這是一個不合理的標準。
Yes, Bluesky is a whole different degoogle topic, and there are a variety of reasons someone may not support it. For example, I don't like that mega-starter packs and public block lists quickly create siloing and heavily promote confirmation bias in an era where critical thinking is required.
是的，Bluesky 是一個完全不同的去谷歌化話題，有很多原因可能讓人不支持它。例如，我不喜歡超級新手包和公共封鎖列表迅速造成隔離，並在這個需要批判性思維的時代大力促進確認偏誤。
Hello from the Duckside. All of our AI features are totally optional. If you don't want them, you can turn them off in search settings. Also, our Bluesky is coming, we're a small flock.
來自鴨子陣營的問候。我們所有的 AI 功能都是完全可選的。如果你不想要它們，可以在搜索設定中關閉。另外，我們的 Bluesky 正在開發中，我們是一個小團隊。
We think privacy is a human right, we don't collect any search or browsing history, and we're a private, independent company. Last time we checked, big tech isn't any of that 🦆
我們認為隱私是一項人權，我們不收集任何搜索或瀏覽歷史，而且我們是一家私有的獨立公司。上次我們檢查時，大科技公司沒有一項符合這些條件 🦆
Are you using local open source models or an API that connects to one of the larger paid models (OpenAI, Anthropocene, Claude, etc).
你們是使用本地開源模型還是連接到一個大型付費模型（OpenAI、Anthropocene、Claude 等）的 API？
How is the model being trained if you do not store our prompts?
如果你們不存儲我們的提示，模型是如何被訓練的？
I’d really appreciate an answer on this as it will inform my decision to keep using your browser.
我真的很希望得到這個問題的答案，因為這將影響我是否繼續使用你們的瀏覽器。
With Duck.ai, we call model providers on your behalf, making sure your personal information (for example, IP address) is not exposed to them. We also have agreements in place with all model providers that further limit how they can use data from these anonymous requests, including not using Prompts and Outputs to develop or improve their models. Finally, all the model providers we work with agree to delete all information received once it is no longer necessary to provide Outputs (at most within 30 days, with limited exceptions for safety and legal compliance).
通過 Duck.ai，我們代表你調用模型提供商，確保你的個人信息（例如 IP 地址）不會暴露給他們。我們還與所有模型提供商簽訂了協議，進一步限制他們如何使用這些匿名請求的數據，包括不使用提示和輸出來開發或改進他們的模型。最後，所有與我們合作的模型提供商都同意在不再需要提供輸出時刪除所有收到的信息（最多 30 天內，安全和法律合規的有限例外）。
We're looking into local models as well and plan to offer them alongside other options. With Duck.ai, our goal is to provide private access to popular models, many of which aren't able to run locally.
我們也在研究本地模型，並計劃與其他選項一起提供。通過 Duck.ai，我們的目標是提供對流行模型的私人訪問，其中許多模型無法在本地運行。
Our full Duck.ai privacy policy is available here: https://duckduckgo.com/duckai/privacy-terms
我們完整的 Duck.ai 隱私政策可以在這裡查看：https://duckduckgo.com/duckai/privacy-terms
and in that vein, is DeepSeek a viable answer?
那麼，DeepSeek 是一個可行的選擇嗎？
The comments in this thread sound more like technology hipsters than actually cautious people. Thanks for keeping ddg as a good product. Please don't make it stupid like so many other teams do with their service.
這個帖子裡的評論聽起來更像是科技潮人，而不是真正謹慎的人。感謝你們保持 ddg 作為一個好產品。請不要像許多其他團隊那樣把服務搞砸。
But it sounds connected to OpenAI? Which defeats privacy
但這聽起來像是連接到 OpenAI？這就破壞了隱私
Edit: grammar 編輯：文法
I appreciate the services you provide for free, I can’t imagine how the ai features are being paid for but if your advertising model on search results works, it works.
我感謝你們提供的免費服務，我無法想像 AI 功能是如何被支付費用的，但如果你們在搜尋結果上的廣告模式有效，那就有效。
If you're a small flock, why are you spending resources on something that nobody wants and risking alienating your core demographic?
如果你們是一個小團隊，為什麼要花資源在沒人想要的東西上，並冒著疏遠核心用戶群的風險？
Who says nobody wants AI? I want it.
誰說沒人想要 AI？我想要。
Then have fun renouncing your humanity. The rest of us don't want machines to critically think for us.
那就好好享受放棄你的人性吧。我們其他人不希望機器為我們進行批判性思考。
That isn't what most people want AI for though. You seem to be adopting the idea that the main utilization for AI is corporate efficiency which usually has to do with reducing costs and cutting human involvement and yes that commonly sucks.
但這不是大多數人想要 AI 的原因。你似乎採用了 AI 的主要用途是企業效率的觀點，這通常與降低成本、減少人力參與有關，而這通常很糟糕。
For most individuals the 'cost savings' ith AI and efficiency is not necessarily saving money on badly implemented services but saving time due to terrible normalized standards on the web. People aren't using AI to substitute making actual decisions for themselves, but to browse web for hopefully useful info and not have to look through a million ads or poorly maintained websites and have it more efficiently find their answer.
對大多數個人來說，AI 帶來的『成本節省』和效率提升，不一定是省下糟糕服務的錢，而是因為網路上糟糕的標準化而節省時間。人們使用 AI 不是為了替代自己做決定，而是為了瀏覽網頁，希望能找到有用的信息，而不必看無數廣告或維護不善的網站，並更高效地找到答案。
I never use AI with my search engines, and won't for duck duck go either- but like the other day i used ai to generate a simple, low impact stretching and exercise regimen for my elderly mom and was able to give it the exact equipment she has and ask it to specifically take into account her being a novice and elderly.
我從不在搜尋引擎中使用 AI，也不會在 DuckDuckGo 上使用——但像前幾天，我用 AI 為我年邁的媽媽生成了一個簡單、低強度的伸展和運動計劃，並能告訴它她擁有的具體設備，並要求它特別考慮到她是一個新手且年長。
I could definitely have done such a list myself, but it would have taken me longer than the two minutes it took to type out the prompt for what I wanted.
我當然可以自己做出這樣的清單，但那會花費我比輸入提示所需的兩分鐘更長的時間。
There are clear potential problems with AI, but like most technology there is commonly a user aspect that can significantly impact the value and risk associated with how you use it.
AI 有明顯的潛在問題，但像大多數技術一樣，通常有一個用戶層面，可以顯著影響你使用它的價值和風險。
Lol, you’re so dramatic about a text summarizer.
哈哈，你對一個文本摘要工具也太戲劇化了吧。
W DuckDuckGo! 讚啦 DuckDuckGo！
Good! Can we all calm down now?
很好！我們現在可以冷靜下來了嗎？
Make it opt in instead of opt out then please.
那就請把它設為選擇加入而不是選擇退出。
Oh for fuck’s sake, it never ends!
噢，天哪，這真是沒完沒了！
DDG has an option to manage AI settings and you can turn it off
DDG 有一個選項可以管理 AI 設置，你可以關掉它
Rather than whine and drop them, appreciate their offering to give you the choice to do it
與其抱怨並放棄他們，不如感謝他們提供選擇權
Or, abandon it and watch it die so you have to go back to a company that truly will block your choices to disable AI at every turn
或者，放棄它並看著它消亡，這樣你就得回到一家真正會在各個環節阻止你禁用 AI 的公司
If DuckDuckGo is not run by a publicly traded company I cannot understand why they are shoehorning AI where it is not needed.
如果 DuckDuckGo 不是由上市公司運營，我無法理解為什麼他們要在不需要的地方硬塞 AI。
Shoehorning AI into everything is common with publicly traded companies bc AI is the new “THING”, the “money saver”, the “next innovation”, if a publicly traded company did not tell shareholders it is utilizing AI everywhere possible then their stock drops.
硬塞 AI 到所有東西裡在上市公司中很常見，因為 AI 是新的“熱門話題”，是“省錢工具”，是“下一個創新”，如果一家上市公司沒有告訴股東他們在盡可能地利用 AI，他們的股價就會下跌。
So for a company that is not publicly traded to follow suit, it is just absolute sheer incompetence in their leadership.
所以對於一家非上市公司來說，跟風這樣做，只能說明他們的領導層絕對無能。
Edit: Confirmed it is a privately held company. Huge fucking yikes.
編輯：確認這是一家私人公司。真是讓人震驚。
Edit 2: added quotes where needed to emphasize exaggeration
編輯 2：在需要的地方加了引號以強調誇張
Just because they aren’t publicly traded doesn’t mean they don’t chase money. Their endgame could be a bigger company acquiring them.
僅僅因為他們不是上市公司，並不意味著他們不追逐金錢。他們的最終目標可能是被更大的公司收購。
There’s a difference between making smart financial decisions, and throwing money away at skyrocketing your infrastructure costs to host AI to serve a feature almost nobody wants. There are areas where AI tools absolutely shine and are a reasonable use case, search engines are not one of them.
做出明智的財務決策和為了幾乎沒人想要的功能而浪費資金在飆升的基礎設施成本上是有區別的。AI 工具在某些領域絕對出色並且是合理的用例，但搜索引擎不在其中。
Though if they want to give the appearance that they are utilizing AI so they’d be more likely to be acquired, I can see that angle.
不過如果他們想給人一種他們在利用 AI 的印象，以便更有可能被收購，我能理解這個角度。
The fact they sold out this heavilly before they even became truly popular makes me concerned for what they plan to do in the future
他們在真正流行之前就如此嚴重地出賣自己，這讓我對他們未來的計劃感到擔憂
Have you considered that your ideas about AI might be wrong? Many people find it genuinely useful, not a scam to appease investors.
你有沒有想過你對 AI 的看法可能是錯的？很多人覺得它真的有用，而不是為了安撫投資者的騙局。
Like I said in another comment, AI shines in specific areas very well, but putting it into every single thing for the sake of pleasing the investors does not result in an improved product. Many companies shoehorn it in places that AI will never be able to perform effectively just to say “yes we are using AI”
就像我在另一條評論中說的，AI 在某些特定領域表現出色，但為了取悅投資者而把它塞進所有東西裡並不會讓產品變得更好。很多公司為了說“是的，我們在使用 AI”而硬塞進 AI 永遠無法有效執行的領域。
I do not ride the AI hate bandwagon, AI has many insanely great use cases in many industries, the issue is that executives do not understand WHAT AI actually is and by extension what it is actually suited to handling and instead push it into everything to please stockholders.
我並不跟風討厭 AI，AI 在很多行業中有許多極好的用例，問題是高管們不理解 AI 到底是什麼，以及它實際上適合處理什麼，反而為了取悅股東而把它塞進所有東西裡。
Edit: in the case of search engines, for Google for example, they already had a great summarizer that provided good information, and they’ve traded that for an AI that will always have a chance to provide outright incorrect information and occasionally dangerous responses.
編輯：以搜索引擎為例，比如 Google，他們已經有一個很好的摘要工具，能提供有用的信息，而他們卻用一個總是有可能提供完全錯誤信息甚至偶爾危險回應的 AI 來取代它。
A good rule of thumb is if a given problem requires that a specific given input corresponds to a specific derived output and this output can be objectively judged correct/incorrect, then traditional solutions can be verifiably 100% correct, whereas AI will ALWAYS have a chance to be slightly off or just outright incorrect.
一個好的經驗法則是，如果一個特定問題需要特定的輸入對應特定的輸出，並且這個輸出可以客觀判斷正確/錯誤，那麼傳統解決方案可以驗證 100% 正確，而 AI 總是有可能稍微偏離或完全錯誤。
The areas where AI shines is when it comes to subjective problems that don’t have have objectively measurable metrics or correctness, or when finding patterns in a medium that is not as easy for humans to process en masse (such as in medical imaging).
AI 表現出色的領域是那些沒有客觀可衡量標準或正確性的主觀問題，或者是在人類難以大規模處理的媒介中尋找模式（例如醫學影像）。
According to DDG, their AI offering is completely anonymous, and they have stated that it will never be used for AI training. They are the only ones offering AI who are doing it in this way. Refusing to post to Bluesky? More likely they just haven’t got there yet. In any case, I trust DDG before any of the alternatives .
根據 DDG 的說法，他們的 AI 服務是完全匿名的，並且他們聲稱永遠不會用於 AI 訓練。他們是唯一以這種方式提供 AI 的公司。拒絕發布到 Bluesky？更可能是他們還沒來得及。無論如何，我信任 DDG 勝過其他任何替代品。
these people see "AI" mentioned and dont look any further into it just blindly say its not private because AI
這些人看到“AI”這個詞就不再多看，盲目地說它不隱私，因為是 AI。
Quick to moan about Bluesky but they themselves use Reddit when there's Lemmy. Redditors are a meme of themselves at times.
對 Bluesky 抱怨得很快，但他們自己卻在用 Reddit，而 Lemmy 也存在。Redditor 有時真是自嘲的模因。
So did Brave, I don't know what AI company they use, but the search started having an AI thing on the top of the page a few days ago.
Brave 也是這樣，我不知道他們用的是哪家 AI 公司，但幾天前搜索結果頁面頂部開始出現 AI 功能。
They've had AI for at least a year now, and it's been insanely helpful for me since. Every part of the response is directly cited with sources, and I can ask follow up questions immediately.
他們至少已經有一年的 AI 了，從那時起對我來說非常有幫助。回應的每一部分都直接引用了來源，我可以立即追問後續問題。
Weird, the first week or so that I was using it there was no AI results and then a court days ago they started showing up. Maybe my updates were behind or something 🤷♀️
奇怪，我剛開始用的那一周左右沒有 AI 結果，幾天前才開始出現。也許我的更新落後了之類的 🤷♀️
What country/region of the world do you reside in, if you don't mind me asking? Perhaps it was due to your location, or perhaps it was simply the setting switch for the AI summarizer tool being toggled off.
如果你不介意的話，請問你住在哪個國家/地區？也許是因為你的位置，或者只是 AI 摘要工具的設置開關被關掉了。
I'm in Canada, but I'd been seeing the Google AI for some time so I don't think it's that. It probably is something like that lol.
我在加拿大，但我已經看到 Google 的 AI 有一段時間了，所以我不認為是這個原因。可能確實是類似的情況吧，哈哈。
Brave Leo now has an option to use your own model locally - in addition to your own API, their hosted models, and third party they proxy. I don't think DDG has these options.
Brave Leo 現在有一個選項可以讓你使用自己的本地模型——除了你自己的 API、他們託管的模型和他們代理的第三方模型。我不認為 DDG 有這些選項。
Lmao I don't know what any of those words mean because I'm old and dumb but I am sure it will be helpful to someone, thank you!
哈哈，我不知道這些詞是什麼意思，因為我老了又笨，但我相信這對某些人會有幫助，謝謝！
Oh no problem at all, I do forget sometimes not everyones an AI engineer too!
哦，沒問題，我有時會忘記不是每個人都是 AI 工程師！
So the primary thing most people will be interested in here, is local models. This means that the Large Language Model (LLM) is hosted on your own device, and no data leaves your machine but the AI does its processing locally..Hence its completely private. Good options to get started are KoboldCpp, Ollama, LocalAI and LMStudio (last one is not OpenSource like the rest.
所以這裡大多數人主要感興趣的是本地模型。這意味著大型語言模型（LLM）託管在你自己的設備上，數據不會離開你的機器，但 AI 在本地進行處理……因此它是完全私密的。入門的好選擇有 KoboldCpp、Ollama、LocalAI 和 LMStudio（最後一個不像其他的是開源的）。
The better models require large amounts of VRAM (basically part of expensive GPUs/graphics cards), so that the AI can catch through all the match needed
更好的模型需要大量的 VRAM（基本上是昂貴的 GPU/顯卡的一部分），這樣 AI 才能處理所有需要的匹配
Then there's the Bring-Your-Own-Model API option. This means you are using pay as you go LLMs from providers of GPTs like Claude, Gemini, ChatGPT etc. My favourite is to use OpenRouter, as they let you easily switch between all of the options in the same place.
然後是自帶模型 API 選項。這意味著你使用按需付費的 LLMs，來自像 Claude、Gemini、ChatGPT 等 GPT 提供者。我最喜歡使用 OpenRouter，因為他們讓你可以輕鬆地在同一個地方切換所有選項。
The other two options are where Brave manages the AI provisioning. Some models are hosted by them on their own machines - most likely the same OpenWeights available for you to download and use yourself (but the big ones require expensive DataCenter GPUs to run).
另外兩個選項是 Brave 管理 AI 供應的地方。有些模型由他們在自己的機器上託管——很可能是你可以下載並自己使用的相同開源模型（但大型模型需要昂貴的數據中心 GPU 來運行）。
For other models Brave proxies the request, acting as a middleman between you and OpenAI or Anthropic - so they all have potential access to your data (I didn't check their policy to see what retention level they have).
對於其他模型，Brave 代理請求，充當你和 OpenAI 或 Anthropic 之間的中間人——所以他們都有可能訪問你的數據（我沒有檢查他們的政策來了解他們的保留級別）。
Thoughts Kagi? Kagi 你怎麼看？
Literal AI company. 純粹的 AI 公司。
Question about it. Can anyone play devil’s advocate and see how this is NOT bad? I mean it seems that everything around is embracing AI. Is there a way in which AI can be used within the confines of privacy and security? The reason why I ask this, for example Protonmail has an AI writing engine. I have not enabled it, but it is there. I’m wonder if it is safe in same manner DDG could be? Utilising technology. I questioned myself if my lack initiative trying these new tools reflects stagnation more than eagerness to remain private? Everything, I hear is from someone else’s lens, how can I test shite like this w/o getting burnt. So many thoughts, so little time.
關於這個問題，有人能扮演魔鬼代言人，看看這怎麼可能不是壞事嗎？我的意思是，似乎周圍的一切都在擁抱 AI。有沒有辦法在隱私和安全的範圍內使用 AI？我之所以這樣問，例如 Protonmail 有一個 AI 寫作引擎。我還沒有啟用它，但它就在那裡。我想知道它是否像 DDG 那樣安全？利用技術。我質疑自己，如果我不主動嘗試這些新工具，是否反映了停滯不前，而不是保持隱私的渴望？我聽到的所有東西都是透過別人的視角，我該如何測試這些東西而不被燒傷？這麼多想法，這麼少時間。
Oh hi this is me
哦，嗨，這是我
I find it a convenient proxy for a variety of ai services for free, with generous use limits, and local storage
我發現它是各種 AI 服務的方便代理，免費使用，且有慷慨的使用限制和本地存儲
The search feature I’ve come to trust nearly as much as my own skimming of the results, so I use it for boring things of low import quite often
我對搜索功能的信任幾乎與我自己瀏覽結果一樣，所以我經常用它來處理無聊且不重要的事情
I assume the inference & network corporations are lying about not siphoning / training on the data that flows through their servers, routers, and switches because that is what capitalism* demands
我假設推理和網絡公司在關於不從流經其服務器、路由器和交換機的數據中吸取/訓練的聲明上撒謊，因為這是資本主義*的要求
Also r/localllama = llama.cpp running a recent 3B+ gguf on any* hardware + sillytavern, kobold, oobabooga, open-webui, librechat, etc some of which allow connecting to searxng etc mcp and other useful notions
還有 r/localllama = llama.cpp 在任何*硬件上運行最新的 3B+ gguf + sillytavern, kobold, oobabooga, open-webui, librechat 等，其中一些允許連接到 searxng 等 mcp 和其他有用的概念
Startpage is still private. They have an app or just the browser. Or use !startpage before your search terms in Google.
Startpage 仍然是私密的。他們有一個應用程序或只是瀏覽器。或者在 Google 搜索詞前使用!startpage。
If it's free to use, then its probably a good alternitave
如果它是免費使用的，那麼它可能是一個不錯的替代品
Doesn't that still link it to Google? Or does it separate it somehow to where Google is cut out of the loop? I was just wondering because I'm new to some of this, and I had noticed another service that said they were anonymous, but was going through Google as well.
這不是仍然與 Google 有聯繫嗎？還是它以某種方式分離，使 Google 被排除在外？我只是好奇，因為我對這些東西還很新，我注意到另一個服務說他們是匿名的，但也是通過 Google 進行的。
DDG Ai has been around for a year. You can opt out.
DDG Ai 已經存在一年了。你可以選擇退出。
Here’s a chatty thread explaining how and some follow up issues people had.
這裡有一個聊天線程解釋了如何操作以及一些人遇到的後續問題。
So far the best alternative to Google / DDG for search has been Kagi in my opinion. Sadly they do have an ai but they do not force it on their users.
到目前為止，我認為最好的 Google / DDG 搜尋替代品是 Kagi。可惜的是，他們雖然有 AI，但並未強迫用戶使用。
You can turn off the AI for DDG, too.
你也可以關閉 DDG 的 AI 功能。
I really want to try Kagi but I just can’t not feel uncomfortable with having my search history tied to an account.
我真的很想試試 Kagi，但就是無法不感到不舒服，因為我的搜尋記錄會與帳戶綁定。
This might be interesting to you: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html
這可能對你有興趣：https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html
Kagi is way too expensive for what it is, while I care about my privacy, I don't care enough to pay more than £10 a month for just a search engine.
Kagi 對於它的功能來說太貴了，雖然我關心隱私，但我不願意為僅僅一個搜尋引擎支付超過每月 10 英鎊的費用。
Its $5usd a month. Cheaper if annual...
每月 5 美元。如果按年付費則更便宜...
For 300 searches? That's like a week worth of searches max. And plus, I don't want to think about how many searches I have left everytime I need to look something up.
300 次搜尋？那最多也就一週的搜尋量吧。而且，我不想每次需要查東西時都得想著還剩多少次搜尋。
Biggest thing with them is they are literally an AI company
他們最大的特點是他們根本就是一家人工智慧公司
There's an app called freespoke and it uses no AI, in fact it even complained about how Google uses AI
有個應用程式叫 freespoke，它完全不使用人工智慧，事實上它甚至抱怨 Google 如何使用人工智慧
This is not bad by itself, You can have an AI search helper and introduce it in a really pro privacy way, for example Brave Search is been doing that already for more than 2 years and is really good
這本身並不壞，你可以擁有一個 AI 搜尋助手，並以非常注重隱私的方式引入它，例如 Brave Search 已經這樣做了超過兩年，而且做得非常好。
Bluesky is big tech, just with a different political label than X.
Bluesky 是大科技公司，只是政治標籤與 X 不同。
Use Mastodon instead if you actually want to get rid of closed source spyware.
如果你真的想擺脫閉源間諜軟件，改用 Mastodon 吧。
My bf taught me that adding a swear word to your search makes the AI not pull up 🤔 It just goes right to the real results then
我男朋友教我，在搜尋中加入髒話可以讓 AI 不顯示🤔 它會直接跳到真實結果。
you can turn off the ai feature if you want
如果你想要，你可以關掉 AI 功能
Qant is a pro privacy browser. Ecosia a but less so but they donate all profits to planting trees.
Qant 是一個注重隱私的瀏覽器。Ecosia 稍微差一點，但他們將所有利潤捐贈給植樹。
Are there a bunch of bots in this thread? This is a non-issue and I assumed most of our users would know that. 55 responses in 30 minutes is awfully quick for this sub too.
這個帖子裡是不是有一堆機器人？這根本不是問題，我以為我們的大多數用戶都知道這一點。30 分鐘內 55 個回應對這個子版塊來說也太快了。
What does it matter what they use?
他們用什麼有什麼關係？
It's *awesome* that they allow to anonymously use LLMs.
他們允許匿名使用LLMs真是太棒了。
And using it in the search results is great too, since most search queries are better answered by LLMs.
在搜尋結果中使用它也很棒，因為大多數搜尋查詢都能被LLMs更好地回答。
It also looks like they're using their own technology for the assistant.
看起來他們也在使用自己的技術來開發助手。
And it's not like they're only using chatgpt at duckai, you have to choose which LLM you want to use.
而且他們在 duckai 不僅僅使用 chatgpt，你可以選擇你想使用的LLM。
Neither are you forced to use the assistant, you can just turn it off.
你也不被強迫使用助手，你可以直接關閉它。
Adapt or Die. Honestly, you can’t trust ANY corporation—Not a Single One. There’s no simple out-of-box security-centric solution available—that is, has always been, and always will be—up to the user. That’s just the way of the world 💯
適應或死亡。老實說，你不能信任任何一家公司——一家都不行。沒有現成的、以安全為中心的解決方案——也就是說，這一直都是，也永遠會是，取決於用戶。這就是世界的運作方式 💯
searxng and chill searxng 和放鬆
YMMV.
Damn. I just switched to duckduckgogo... sad....
該死。我剛換到 duckduckgogo... 難過....
what is sad about it, you can use AI features completely privately
令人難過的是，你可以完全私密地使用 AI 功能
Searx better save me on the daily
Searx 最好每天都能救我
bluesky is the same shit as X just rainbow colors
bluesky 跟 X 一樣爛，只是多了彩虹色
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One's owned by a fascist billionaire, one isn't.
一個是由法西斯億萬富翁擁有，另一個不是。
who gives a fuck
誰在乎啊
Lmao, enough with bluesky shilling. Next thing you'll say is anyone who's not on BS is a nazi (I'm sure some psycho somewhere must have already said it)
笑死，別再吹 bluesky 了。接下來你大概會說，不在 BS 上的人都是納粹（我敢肯定某個地方的神經病已經這麼說了）
refusing to post to Bluesky isn't a issue necessarily. Mastodon exists after all. But if they only communicate via Twitter, that IS an issue.
拒絕在 Bluesky 上發文不一定是問題。畢竟還有 Mastodon。但如果他們只透過 Twitter 溝通，那就是個問題了。
I wish I could say this comes as a shock to me. But when DuckDuckGo was new I experienced issues with it [for example getting malware just from downloading the browser add-on. the add-on refusing to uninstall even after I removed it, it leaving hard to remove files on my main computer outside my browser] witch made me stop using it, and has made me weary of ever using it again since then.
我希望我能說這讓我感到震驚。但當 DuckDuckGo 剛出來時，我就遇到了一些問題[例如光是下載瀏覽器附加元件就中了惡意軟體。附加元件即使移除後也無法卸載，還在我的主電腦上留下了難以刪除的檔案]，這讓我停止使用它，並從那時起讓我對再次使用它感到警惕。
When I checked a month ago, the AI-integration was fully toggleable/ able to be disabled with a few button clicks. It was entirely optional. Is this not still the case?
我一個月前檢查時，AI 整合功能是完全可切換/可以透過幾個按鈕點擊來停用的。它是完全可選的。現在不是這樣了嗎？
I wish I could ask Jeeves what to do.
我真希望能問問 Jeeves 該怎麼辦。
I really want to use/like Kagi search, but honestly can't justify the subscription cost. I'm not saying web-search must be free, just that 10€pm+ feels very expensive.
我真的很想使用/喜歡 Kagi 搜尋，但老實說無法合理化訂閱費用。我不是說網路搜尋必須免費，只是 10 歐元/月以上感覺很貴。
you can use their AI without an account so i do not get what is the problem they dont have any data to sell.
你可以在沒有帳戶的情況下使用他們的 AI，所以我不明白問題在哪裡，他們沒有數據可以賣。
DuckDuckGo's AI is optional, though. I also don't see how integrating AI into search is a bad thing. As long as the quality of the actual search results is still good, the AI can act as an "assistant" of sorts when/if you need it.
DuckDuckGo 的 AI 是可選的。我也不明白將 AI 整合到搜尋中有什麼不好。只要實際搜尋結果的品質仍然良好，AI 可以在你需要時充當某種「助手」。
The argument against AI besides privacy is the environmental impacts. More and more apps and websites using AI is more and more environmental impact
除了隱私問題外，反對 AI 的另一個論點是對環境的影響。越來越多使用 AI 的應用程式和網站意味著對環境的影響也越來越大
Oh yeah, that's true. I can't believe I somehow forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me! Yours is the only comment I've seen that tries to clarify why it's a bad move in the first place
哦對，這是真的。我竟然忘了這一點，真是難以置信。謝謝你提醒我！你的評論是我看到的唯一一個試圖解釋為什麼這從一開始就是個壞主意的評論
Internally Screaming God Damn it, I was using it well for my seamonkey browser.
內心尖叫，該死，我本來在 seamonkey 瀏覽器上用得好好的。
The CEO of DuckDuckGo previously had a business of data collection and selling for ad profiling. I won't trust it.
DuckDuckGo 的 CEO 以前有一家數據收集和廣告分析的公司。我不會信任它。
Get Startpage or better yet, SearXNG.
用 Startpage，或者更好的是 SearXNG。
There are literally no good search engines. It’s 2025.
真的沒有好的搜尋引擎了。現在是 2025 年。
Did you think DDG was your friend and not just another company looking to maximize profits?
你以為 DDG 是你的朋友，而不是另一家想最大化利潤的公司嗎？
It's only for the AI chat. I think the browser is still good.
這只是針對 AI 聊天功能。我覺得瀏覽器還是很好用的。
New here... can someone explain to me the issue with ai search over regular searching ?
新來的...有人能解釋一下 AI 搜尋和普通搜尋的問題在哪裡嗎？
Having AI in every single search is harmful to the environment, plus it makes people forget how to research things and steals people's independent research to train itself.
在每次搜索中都加入 AI 對環境有害，而且它會讓人們忘記如何進行研究，並竊取人們的獨立研究來訓練自己。
once i started hearing radio ads about ddg i knew they were past their golden days
當我開始聽到關於 ddg 的廣播廣告時，我就知道他們的黃金時代已經過去了。
Haven't they been doing this for a while now? I feel like duck assist has been summarizing the top few sources for so long I forgot when it first started.
他們不是已經這樣做一段時間了嗎？我覺得 duck assist 已經在總結前幾個來源很久了，我都忘了它是什麼時候開始的。
I host my own instance of SearxNG. Just assume all search engines are not private. So long as these things are freely available and run for profit they will continue to invade your privacy to generate that profit.
我自架了一個 SearxNG 實例。只要假設所有搜尋引擎都不私密就好。只要這些東西是免費提供並以營利為目的，它們就會繼續侵犯你的隱私來產生利潤。
You could use someone else’s freely available SearxNG instance (mine is public but I don’t advertise it) but be cautious with that too. Never know who’s running a honeypot.
你可以使用別人免費提供的 SearxNG 實例（我的實例是公開的，但我沒有宣傳），但也要小心。永遠不知道誰在運營蜜罐。
DuckDuckGo is just a rebranded Bing. They have been for a while. They just redirect all queries to Bing. They don't process or search anything. Most "third" party search engines do this. They give a facade of there being competition in the search engine market.
DuckDuckGo 只是重新包裝的 Bing。他們已經這樣做一段時間了。他們只是將所有查詢重定向到 Bing。他們不處理或搜索任何東西。大多數「第三方」搜索引擎都是這樣做的。他們給人一種搜索引擎市場存在競爭的假象。
This is so depressing 😞
這真是太令人沮喪了 😞
Wait, it's all AI?
等等，這一切都是 AI？
You can bypass AI by typing -ai in any search box.
你可以在任何搜尋框中輸入 -ai 來繞過 AI。
I only use it to watch porn
我只用它來看色情片
DuckDuckFuckOff
Really disappointing form DDG. I'll be swapping off.
DDG 的表現真讓人失望。我要換掉了。
I'm using Brave now...its ok
我現在用 Brave...還行吧
I tried the search engine is not that good. That's why I switched to ddg with brave browser, I'm annoyed with ai being in anything but I'm going to stay with ddg because it's better than brave search and a good alternative to google
我試過這個搜尋引擎，沒那麼好。這就是為什麼我改用 Brave 瀏覽器搭配 DDG，雖然我對 AI 無所不在感到煩躁，但我還是會繼續用 DDG，因為它比 Brave 搜尋好，也是 Google 的不錯替代品。
I will look into that for sure
我肯定會去查查看
Is startpage any good?
Startpage 好用嗎？
I heard it probably is free of AI. But I don't know much about startpage.
我聽說它可能沒有使用 AI。但我對 Startpage 不太了解。
All of those years, they have been waiting for this moment with some privacy centered commitments to be overtaken by a big company. I must say, they did it.
這些年來，他們一直在等待這一刻，期待一些以隱私為核心的承諾被大公司超越。我得說，他們做到了。
DuckDuckGo more like SuckSuckReverse
DuckDuckGo 更像是 SuckSuckReverse
Yup! 是的！
I personally ignore this.
我個人選擇忽略這個。
I really like ddg's search results, which is most important.
我真的很喜歡 ddg 的搜尋結果，這是最重要的。
Once in a while I never use their built-in chat so….
偶爾我從不使用他們的內建聊天功能，所以…
I've been using Brave for about a year now and I am fairly happy with it
我已經使用 Brave 大約一年了，對它相當滿意
I try use Brave search.
我試著用 Brave 搜尋。
Link: https://search.brave.com/
連結: https://search.brave.com/
So seriously. What’s the safest, yet most effective search engine to use?
所以認真來說，最安全又最有效的搜尋引擎是哪個？
Brave and Qwant unless proven otherwise
除非有證據證明，否則 Brave 和 Qwant 是安全的
you don't have to use chatgpt. you can use open source models. read the message next time maybe
你不一定要用 chatgpt。你可以用開源模型。下次也許該讀一下訊息
They say educational purposes only but the context implies novelty purposes only as i would expect educational advice to be professional and accurate...
他們說是教育用途，但上下文暗示只是新奇用途，因為我預期教育建議應該是專業且準確的...
They're probably implementing AI to attract buyers or investers
他們可能正在實施人工智慧來吸引買家或投資者
Time.to.go Brave. Recommended settings here; https://www.privacyguides.org/en/
是時候改用 Brave 了。推薦設定在這裡；https://www.privacyguides.org/en/
Yikes. 哎呀。
I don't really mind their duck assist thingy, but oh my God is DDG slow af now. I had to go back to using Google from just how slow it's become recently. I'm talking about 30+ seconds searches sometimes. It's awful.
我不太介意他們的 duck assist 小工具，但天啊，DDG 現在慢得要命。我最近因為它變得太慢，不得不回去用 Google。有時候搜尋要等 30 秒以上。真的很糟糕。
I use free AdBlocker+ and havent noticed anything. Any thoughts??
我用免費的 AdBlocker+，沒注意到什麼問題。有什麼想法嗎？？
DuckDuckGoAway
I have been using Presearch for a few years and love it. I left DDG long ago, plus they always had the worst search results.
我已經使用 Presearch 幾年了，非常喜歡它。我早就離開了 DDG，而且他們的搜尋結果總是最差的。
"Officially" 「正式地」
"A sign" 「一個標誌」
You speak as if you are an authority on the matter, but the title and the two sentences underneath already contradict each other...
你說得好像你是這方面的權威，但標題和下面的兩句話已經自相矛盾了...
They hired VPs and such. Grow or wither.
他們聘請了副總裁之類的。要麼成長，要麼凋零。
I still use it as my primary search, which isn't as good as it was over many many years, but the privacy vpn thing on Android rocks.
我仍然把它作為我的主要搜索引擎，雖然它不如多年以前那麼好，但 Android 上的隱私 VPN 功能真的很棒。
UGH. Thankfully I moved to Start Page but this feels like a "YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE" moment 😩
唉。幸好我轉到了 Start Page，但這感覺就像是「你曾是那個被選中的人」的時刻 😩
It happenes to me too at times, i use a new app just to realize its no better than the old one
有時候我也會這樣，用了一個新應用才發現它並不比舊的好
ChatGPT being big tech is just one part of the problem. Privacy is not the most glaring problem here either.
ChatGPT 作為大科技公司只是問題的一部分。隱私也不是這裡最顯眼的問題。
Personally, I find it unethical to use generative AI for most purposes in general because of the environmental impact it has on the planet and local communities near the data centers that power the generative AI.
個人而言，我認為在大多數情況下使用生成式 AI 是不道德的，因為它對地球和數據中心附近的當地社區產生了環境影響。
Big Tech wants you to use generative AI for pretty much anything, actual utility or common sense be damned, since this will drive up demand for more of their hugely profitable data centers. They call it "the cloud", which brings up an image of non-physicality, as if the internet is something that just exists in our air, and it must be one of the most successfully deceitful marketing campaigns since diamond cartel De Beers convinced the world that engagement rings should have a diamond on them.
大科技公司希望你幾乎在任何事情上都使用生成式 AI，實際效用或常識都無所謂，因為這將推動對他們極其有利可圖的數據中心的需求。他們稱之為「雲端」，這讓人聯想到非實體的形象，彷彿互聯網是存在於我們空氣中的東西，這可能是自鑽石卡特爾戴比爾斯說服世界訂婚戒指應該鑲有鑽石以來最成功的欺騙性營銷活動之一。
People go without water and electricity because the data centers are hogging all their resources.
人們因為數據中心佔用了所有資源而沒有水和電。
From this article: "The drinking water used in data centers is often treated with chemicals to prevent corrosion and bacterial growth, rendering it unsuitable for human consumption or agricultural use. This means that not only are data centers consuming large quantities of drinking water, but they are also effectively removing it from the local water cycle."
從這篇文章中：「數據中心使用的飲用水通常經過化學處理以防止腐蝕和細菌生長，使其不適合人類飲用或農業使用。這意味著數據中心不僅消耗大量飲用水，還有效地將其從當地水循環中移除。」
It also mentions how tech companies are incentivized to build data centers in dry regions where water is already scarce, since dry air is better for the equipment inside them. They are also often able to negotiate much better prices on water than local residents, which means even less incentive to conserve water.
文章還提到，科技公司有動力在乾旱地區建造數據中心，因為乾燥的空氣對設備更好。他們通常還能以比當地居民更優惠的價格獲得水資源，這意味著他們更沒有節約用水的動力。
And because generative AI uses so much more power than simple online searches and other methods of doing stuff, the big tech companies like Amazon and Google have an incentive to push the hype and get both businesses and individuals to incorporate it everywhere. Why? Because they make enormous amounts of money on renting out their computing power in data centers, so the more people need of it, the better for them. Which means that they are building more giant data centers around the world at an unprecedented pace.
由於生成式 AI 比簡單的在線搜索和其他方法消耗更多的電力，像亞馬遜和谷歌這樣的大科技公司有動力推動炒作，讓企業和個人將其融入各個領域。為什麼？因為他們通過出租數據中心的計算能力賺取巨額利潤，所以人們對它的需求越大，對他們越有利。這意味著他們正在以空前的速度在全球建造更多巨型數據中心。
Data centers now account for 3% of carbon emissions, which is more than aviation at 2%.
數據中心現在佔全球碳排放的 3%，比航空業的 2%還要多。
Data center power demand is projected to increase by 160% by 2030. Could you imagine what people would say if they heard airline traffic would increase by 160%? I think most people who care at least a little about global warming would be shocked, but the fact is that air travel increasing by that much would actually be a better scenario than what is currently going on.
預計到 2030 年，數據中心的電力需求將增加 160%。你能想像如果人們聽說航空交通量將增加 160%會怎麼說嗎？我認為大多數至少關心一點全球變暖的人都會感到震驚，但事實是，航空旅行增加這麼多實際上比目前的情況要好。
The podcast "Tech Won't Save Us", which I highly recommend in general, did a special series on this topic called Data Vampires. It's a good listen, and was very eye opening to me!
我強烈推薦的播客《Tech Won't Save Us》做了一個關於這個話題的特別系列，叫做《數據吸血鬼》。這是一個很好的收聽內容，對我來說非常開眼界！
Thanks for explaining things. We were fine before regenerative AI. And using it for every single search is super energy-consuming.
感謝解釋。在再生式 AI 出現之前，我們過得很好。而且每次搜索都使用它非常耗能。
So who else then?
那麼還有誰呢？
It is a good alternative to google and we would be better off if more people switched to it from google. Who cares if they have a Bluesky? Are we trying to recreate a "good" centralized internet?
它是谷歌的一個不錯的替代品，如果更多人從谷歌轉向它，我們會更好。誰在乎他們有沒有 Bluesky？我們是在試圖重建一個「好」的集中式互聯網嗎？
DuckDuckGo is a fine google alternative for most people. Don't let perfect get in the way of good.
DuckDuckGo 對大多數人來說是一個不錯的谷歌替代品。不要讓完美阻礙了好的選擇。
I mean…they always were “big tech” just due to how much scale a search engine requires. I’m not sure why “embracing ai” in their anonymous search system is problematic, nor an anonymous optional chat.
我的意思是……他們一直都是「大科技」，僅僅是因為搜索引擎需要如此大的規模。我不確定為什麼在他們的匿名搜索系統中「擁抱 AI」是有問題的，或者一個可選的匿名聊天。
You can turn this off...
你可以關掉這個...
Settings > AI Features > Assist
設置 > AI 功能 > 輔助
Set to Never
設置為永不
Try this instead maybe? https://udm14.com/
也許試試這個？https://udm14.com/
Time to regroup. Is Dogpile still around?
是時候重新集結了。Dogpile 還在嗎？
Mojeek is a good alternative
Mojeek 是一個不錯的替代品
All I am taking away from this is that most people here have no idea how LLMs work and just think AI = BAD
我從這裡得到的唯一結論是，這裡的大多數人根本不知道LLMs是如何運作的，只是認為 AI = 壞
How about Tor? No one here use it?
Tor 怎麼樣？這裡沒人用嗎？
Good Bye! 再見！
Duck duck go also just kinda of blows as a search engine in general.
Duck duck go 作為一個搜尋引擎整體來說也蠻爛的。
I use a privacy search engine https://resulthunter.com
我使用一個隱私搜尋引擎 https://resulthunter.com
I would be fine with browsers using AI if there was options to use a local model running on my pc
如果瀏覽器能提供選項讓我使用本地運行在我電腦上的模型，我會接受它們使用 AI。
I just switched to Startpage. Hopefully that one is half decent... AI is ruining everything.
我剛轉到 Startpage。希望這個還算可以... AI 正在毀掉一切。
Is there privacy concerns on tor ? (noob)
Tor 上有隱私問題嗎？（新手）
They've had AI for a while, if you have it disabled in your settings this changes nothing for you.
他們已經有 AI 一段時間了，如果你在設定中禁用了它，這對你來說沒有任何改變。
We can't have sht. Ugh this is so sad
我們什麼都不能有。唉，這真是太悲哀了
Fuck that. 去他媽的。
First of all this is limited to the Assist Button. It's literally a 1 button click to to stop Assist generating answers. Second of all Duck Duck Go does not stop you from posting to BlueSky. Your browser is preventing you from posting because you have browser safety disabling core technology such as JS.
首先，這僅限於輔助按鈕。它實際上是一個單一按鈕點擊，用來停止輔助生成答案。其次，Duck Duck Go 並不會阻止你發布到 BlueSky。是你的瀏覽器因為安全設置禁用了核心技術如 JS，而阻止你發布。
At least get your facts straight before you post polarizing content to like farm
至少在發布極化內容以獲取點贊之前，先把事實搞清楚。
Time to leave the duck
是時候離開這隻鴨子了
This is disappointing. I’ve been using it for years.
這真令人失望。我已經使用它多年了。
Sorry. I HAD been using it for years.
抱歉。我曾經使用它多年。
The only truly private way to use the internet is via Tor Browser and even then you are not 100% secure until using the full TAILS operating system.
唯一真正私密地使用互聯網的方式是通過 Tor 瀏覽器，即便如此，在使用完整的 TAILS 操作系統之前，你也並非 100% 安全。
Damn AI, if they were using it for good things it would be fine, but most use it for bad things or to monitor persons 🤦
該死的人工智能，如果他們用它來做好事那還好，但大多數人用它來做壞事或監控他人 🤦
thankgully you can turn it off, so thats still a nice plus. bo big reason to switch yet.
幸好你可以關掉它，所以這仍然是一個不錯的優點。目前還沒有太大的理由要換。
I simply turn it off and they make it easy to turn off. I think it’s one of those things where they have to find a way to be competitive without compromising on privacy. They are transparent in saying that they are using OpenAI and whatnot
我直接關掉它，而且他們讓關閉變得容易。我認為這是他們必須在不妥協隱私的情況下找到競爭方式的事情之一。他們透明地表示他們正在使用 OpenAI 等技術。
To be honest they started to filter a lot more links now, i don’t know what to use anymore
老實說，他們現在開始過濾更多的鏈接，我不知道該用什麼了。
Dang it! I just recently started using DuckDuckGo! What's a good alternative to DuckDuckGo and FireFox?
該死！我最近才開始使用 DuckDuckGo！DuckDuckGo 和 FireFox 有什麼好的替代品？
Has startpage got the same problem?
Startpage 有同樣的問題嗎？
Bend. the. knee!
跪下！
Ecosia 😍
I love Kagi. 我愛 Kagi。
their search feature sucks anyway. quite possibly the worst browser I've tried.
他們的搜尋功能爛透了。可能是我試過最爛的瀏覽器。
wtf. I'm just getting used to their search engine. I gotta switch again?!
搞什麼。我才剛開始習慣他們的搜尋引擎。又要換了？！
Kagi is what I started but I wish its free
我開始用 Kagi 了，但我希望它是免費的
Lycos looking better every day
Lycos 看起來一天比一天好
Well fuck 好吧，幹
Brave it is 勇敢就是這樣
So what are we using now hotbot? Lol
所以我們現在用什麼，hotbot 嗎？哈哈
Hugely disappointing. This is exactly the stuff I'm trying to get away from
非常令人失望。這正是我試圖遠離的東西
It also just kind of sucks as a search engine anyways
而且作為一個搜尋引擎，它本來就不怎麼樣
Ok, no problem. Everything sucks anywaу.
好吧，沒問題。反正一切都爛透了
What's left? Tor?
那還剩下什麼？Tor 嗎？
Commence enshittification
開始惡化
i'll keep switching everything to avoid AI. my browser, my search engine, my operating system, my email service, absolutely fucking everything
我會不斷切換所有東西來避開 AI。我的瀏覽器、我的搜尋引擎、我的作業系統、我的電子郵件服務，絕對他媽的一切
for now ive switched to 'startpage'. seems they dont have ai from what i can tell
目前我已經轉用'startpage'。據我所知，他們似乎沒有 AI
Jesus Christ. So what browser and search should we use?
天啊。那我們該用什麼瀏覽器和搜尋引擎？
DuckDuckGoose 鴨鴨鵝
et tu, Duck? 連你也，鴨子？
Startpage.com EU based engine focused on privacy
Startpage.com 以隱私為重點的歐盟搜索引擎
Why does DDG need to use bluesky or x. Don't they have their own community forums.
為什麼 DDG 需要使用 bluesky 或 x。他們不是有自己的社群論壇嗎？
Well that just plain sucks. What's left, now that DDG is giving me garbage answers to what it thinks I want to know?
這真是太糟糕了。現在 DDG 給我的都是它認為我想知道的垃圾答案，我還能用什麼？
Use Qwant instead 改用 Qwant 吧
DAMMIT NOT DUCK. :/ idk what to do anymore. Ima just turn my phone off
該死，不是 Duck。:/ 我不知道該怎麼辦了。我還是把手機關掉算了
Currently viewing this on duckduckgo 🫠 I noticed the "New AI Chat" option in the sidebar this morning.
目前正在用 DuckDuckGo 瀏覽這個 🫠 今天早上我注意到側邊欄有個「新 AI 聊天」選項。
Well, there goes DDG.
好吧，DDG 就這樣沒了。
Oh fucksake, that was my go-to secondary search engine.
噢，該死的，那是我常用的備用搜尋引擎。
That's it. I'm moving to Ecosia in my case.
就這樣吧。我決定改用 Ecosia 了。
Been using Qwant with no issues
使用 Qwant 一直沒問題
So what do we use then?? Genuine question- I always heard DuckDuckGo was THE app for privacy, but now that’s not the case??
那我們該用什麼呢？？真心求問——我一直聽說 DuckDuckGo 是隱私保護的首選應用，但現在情況不是這樣了嗎？？
Freespoke is good I heard. Fully private browser.
聽說 Freespoke 不錯。完全私密的瀏覽器。
Thank you! 謝謝！
I recommend Kagi for anyone interested. Would like to hear others' feedback
我推薦 Kagi 給有興趣的人。想聽聽其他人的反饋
Are they running their own "local" AI models? The bigger question is how much of that data they store, if any
他們是在運行自己的“本地”AI 模型嗎？更大的問題是他們存儲了多少數據，如果有的話
I am actually astounded at how good Qwant has been for my searches.
我實際上對 Qwant 在搜索方面的表現感到驚訝。
I’m still google right now, slowly deleting audibles and other corporate apps.
我現在還在用 Google，慢慢刪除 Audible 和其他企業應用。
What search engine would you move to that gives decent results. I haven't tried in a while but used to use Qwant, Metger (think this one is pay only now), ecosia, brave, Swiss cows, mojeek.
你會轉移到哪個能提供不錯結果的搜索引擎？我有一段時間沒試了，但以前用過 Qwant、Metger（這個現在好像是付費的）、ecosia、brave、Swiss cows、mojeek。
Shit. So what's the best one now?
靠。那現在哪個最好？
Swiss Cows or Freespoke, i heard there's many out there
Swiss Cows 或 Freespoke，聽說還有很多選擇
Switched to Qwant some time ago
之前轉到了 Qwant
Time to say “Fuckfuckstop” and find a new browser I guess
是時候說“去他媽的”然後找個新瀏覽器了
Duckfcukgo
Just when i started to ge5 used to it... Thank you SO MUCH AI, now what am i gona switch to
就在我開始習慣它的時候... 非常感謝你，AI，現在我該換成什麼呢
Swiss Cows mabye 瑞士牛 也許
DDG was always big tech my dude, all it does is proxy bing results
DDG 一直都是大科技公司啊老兄，它所做的只是代理 Bing 的搜尋結果