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Claude Code is insanely expensive!
Claude Code는 엄청나게 비쌉니다!
I just created an account for personal use (there was an opinion to select company use).
개인 용도로 계정을 방금 만들었어요(회사 용도를 선택하라는 의견이 있었습니다).
Did the setup and connected claude code with my account. Also I put $5 in the balance.
설정을 완료하고 클로드 코드를 내 계정과 연결했습니다. 또한 잔액에 5달러를 충전했습니다.
The first instruction was "I'm running this project using Docker" so claude gave an overall checking.
첫 번째 지시는 "이 프로젝트를 Docker를 사용하여 실행 중입니다"였으며, 클로드가 전체 점검을 수행했습니다.
The second instruction was "create an claude.md file based on the rules and instructions inside the *.MD and *.mdc files"
두 번째 지시는 "*.MD 및 *.mdc 파일 내의 규칙과 지침을 기반으로 claude.md 파일을 생성하는 것"이었습니다.
Just these two instructions cost me $0.78!!
단지 이 두 가지 지시만으로 0.78달러가 들었어요!!
Welcome to Claude Code. Let’s wait till Chinese engineers fix the price for us. 🫡
Claude Code에 오신 것을 환영합니다. 중국 엔지니어들이 우리를 위해 가격을 정할 때까지 기다립시다. 🫡
Chinese reverse engineering products since Bronze age
청동기 시대부터 중국은 리버스 엔지니어링 제품을 만들어 왔습니다.
and they're awsome 그리고 그들은 정말 대단합니다.
*Chinese actually inventing paper, silk and gunpowder, and having actual statecraft and philosophy before everyone else did
*중국은 실제로 종이, 비단, 화약을 발명했고, 모두가 하기 전에 실제 국가 운영과 철학을 가지고 있었습니다.
You got pwnd noob
너 완전히 당했어, 초보자
PAPER 종이
Papyrus (circa 3000 BC): The earliest known writing material was papyrus, used by ancient Egyptians.
파피루스(기원전 3000년경): 가장 오래된 알려진 필기 재료는 고대 이집트인들이 사용한 파피루스입니다.
Parchment (circa 2450 BC): Another early writing material was parchment, made from animal skin. It was widely used in the Mediterranean region and during the Middle Ages
양피지(기원전 2450년경): 또 다른 초기 필기 재료는 동물 가죽으로 만든 양피지였습니다. 이는 지중해 지역과 중세 시대에 널리 사용되었습니다.
Cai Lun's Innovation (105 AD): Cai Lun is credited with refining the papermaking process by using mulberry bark, hemp, rags, and other materials.
채륜의 혁신 (서기 105년): 채륜은 뽕나무 껍질, 삼, 헝겊 등 다양한 재료를 사용하여 제지 공정을 개선한 것으로 알려져 있습니다.
Invented paper? Kind of but only a particular form. He didn't invent the idea of writing on things like paper. And today's paper is made of a different material.
종이를 발명했나요? 어느 정도는 맞지만 특정 형태에 한정됩니다. 그는 종이 같은 것에 글을 쓰는 아이디어를 발명한 것은 아닙니다. 그리고 오늘날의 종이는 다른 재료로 만들어집니다.
SILK 실크
The earliest surviving example of silk fabric dates back to about 3630 BC, found at a Yangshao culture site in Henan, China. Additionally, biomolecular evidence indicates that silk fibroin was present in Neolithic China as far back as 8,500 years ago.
가장 오래된 실크 직물의 예는 기원전 약 3630년으로 거슬러 올라가며, 중국 허난성의 양사오 문화 유적지에서 발견되었습니다. 또한, 생체분자 증거에 따르면 신석기 시대 중국에서 약 8,500년 전부터 실크 피브로인이 존재했음을 나타냅니다.
This one holds up, but then you have to question which people group was in China 8,500 years ago and if they are direct ancestors of today's Chinese.
이것은 타당하지만, 그렇다면 8,500년 전 중국에 있었던 인구 집단이 누구였으며 그들이 오늘날 중국인의 직접적인 조상인지 의문을 제기해야 합니다.
GUNPOWDER 화약
Berthold Schwarz: A legendary figure sometimes credited with inventing gunpowder in Europe, but contemporary records of him are lacking, and he is considered a mythical figure by many historians.
베르톨트 슈바르츠: 때때로 유럽에서 화약을 발명한 인물로 전해지는 전설적인 인물이지만, 그에 대한 동시대 기록이 부족하며 많은 역사가들은 그를 신화적인 인물로 간주합니다.
European Independent Invention Theory: Some argue that Europe developed gunpowder independently through alchemical works. Figures like Marcus Greaceus and Friar Roger Bacon are mentioned, but this theory is not widely supported due to the lack of early evidence.
유럽 독자 발명 이론: 일부는 유럽이 연금술 작업을 통해 화약을 독자적으로 개발했다고 주장합니다. 마르쿠스 그레아케우스와 로저 베이컨 수사와 같은 인물이 언급되지만, 초기 증거가 부족하여 이 이론은 널리 지지받지 못합니다.
Islamic and Indian Texts: There are references to gunpowder-like substances in some Sanskrit texts, but the dating of these texts is often dubious1. Similarly, the Mamluk use of cannons at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260 is mentioned, but the source for this is a late 14th-century text
이슬람 및 인도 문헌: 일부 산스크리트 문헌에는 화약과 유사한 물질에 대한 언급이 있지만, 이 문헌들의 연대는 종종 의심스럽습니다. 마찬가지로, 1260년 아인 잘룻 전투에서 맘루크가 대포를 사용했다는 언급이 있으나, 이 출처는 14세기 후반의 문헌입니다.
It is possible gunpowder was invented earlier outside China, but there isn't enough evidence to validate the theories. So, we can say it was invented in China, but we don't konw this for sure.
화약이 중국 외부에서 더 일찍 발명되었을 가능성도 있지만, 이를 입증할 충분한 증거는 없습니다. 따라서 화약은 중국에서 발명되었다고 말할 수 있지만, 확실히 알 수는 없습니다.
So, out of the 3, Silk was most likely invented in China but not necessarily by the ancestors of the modern Chinese people.
세 가지 중에서 비단은 가장 가능성이 높게 중국에서 발명되었지만, 반드시 현대 중국인의 조상에 의해 발명된 것은 아닙니다.
p.s. no I didn't use chatgpt
추신: 아니요, 저는 챗GPT를 사용하지 않았습니다.
The very definition of "invention" involves making refinements existing concepts or materials into a practically useful form. You, therefore, can not assert that Cai Lun's contribution was minor; it was transformative. He created the first efficient, economical, and standardised papermaking process that could be broadly adopted. Plus, the Egyptians' invention of papyrus and parchment were fundamentally different materials in composition and manufacturing process; they're remotely comparable to actual paper that was developed and refined centuries thereafter, and neither uses the fiber suspension that defines actual paper...Modern papermaking methods also derive their processes from this particular principles.
"발명"의 정의 자체는 기존 개념이나 재료를 실용적인 형태로 개선하는 것을 포함합니다. 따라서 당신은 채륜의 기여가 사소했다고 주장할 수 없습니다; 그것은 혁신적이었습니다. 그는 널리 채택될 수 있는 최초의 효율적이고 경제적이며 표준화된 제지 공정을 창조했습니다. 게다가 이집트인들의 파피루스와 양피지 발명은 구성과 제조 공정에서 근본적으로 다른 재료였으며, 수세기 후에 개발되고 개선된 실제 종이와는 거의 비교할 수 없으며, 실제 종이를 정의하는 섬유 현탁액을 사용하지도 않습니다... 현대 제지 방법도 이 특정 원리에서 그 공정을 유래합니다.
There's also the historical impact generated by Cai Lun's invention was of great magnitude, as his paper technology rapidly spread throughout Asia and eventually to Europe by trade and merchants, serving as the foundation for information transmission for nearly two millennia. The economic and cultural impact alone was immense, democratizing written knowledge..
채륜의 발명이 가져온 역사적 영향도 매우 컸는데, 그의 종이 기술은 아시아 전역과 결국 무역상과 상인들을 통해 유럽까지 빠르게 퍼져 거의 2천 년 동안 정보 전달의 기반이 되었다. 경제적, 문화적 영향만으로도 엄청나서, 서면 지식을 대중화하는 역할을 했다.
As for silk, there is substantial archaeological and genetic evidence that the Yangshao culture shows clear cultural links to later Chinese dynasties. The underlying process itself requires specific knowledge of silkworm cultivation, cocoon unravelling, and thread processing; this was all that was passed and known to later peoples and periods, with it being an established practice as referenced in texts like the Shijing.
비단에 관해서는, 양사오 문화가 후대 중국 왕조들과 명확한 문화적 연관성을 보여준다는 상당한 고고학적 및 유전적 증거가 있습니다. 그 근본적인 과정 자체는 누에 사육, 고치 풀기, 실 가공에 대한 특정 지식을 필요로 하며; 이것이 후대 사람들과 시대에 전해지고 알려진 전부였으며, 시경과 같은 문헌에서 언급된 확립된 관행이었습니다.
Gunpowder was already known in China prior to any European or other invention. Chinese alchemical texts from the Tang Dynasty provide clear formulas for gunpowder, preceding any credible documentation elsewhere for many centuries. The Wujing Zongyao, first published in the 1044 CE, contains detailed gunpowder recipes for weapons. There's also a robust array of archaeological evidence that have yielded gunpowder weapons from the 10-12th centuries, including bombarda, fire lances, and rockets with no comparable archaeological evidence from elsewhere this period.
화약은 유럽이나 다른 지역의 발명 이전에 이미 중국에서 알려져 있었습니다. 당나라의 중국 연금술 문헌은 화약에 대한 명확한 조제법을 제공하며, 이는 수세기 동안 다른 곳에서의 신뢰할 만한 문서보다 앞섭니다. 1044년에 처음 출판된 무경총요에는 무기용 화약 조제법이 상세히 수록되어 있습니다. 또한 10~12세기에서 나온 폭탄, 화창, 로켓 등 화약 무기를 발굴한 강력한 고고학적 증거들이 있으며, 이 시기에 다른 지역에서는 이에 상응하는 고고학적 증거가 없습니다.
bro said "and today's paper is made of a different material" i understand it's the claudeai sub but this is such low quality slop argumentation it should never be excused
형이 "오늘날 종이는 다른 재료로 만들어졌다"고 말했는데, 클로드AI 서브인 건 이해하지만, 이건 너무 저급한 엉터리 논증이라 절대 용납되어서는 안 됩니다.
I think it's fair to say that loads of things were "invented" in more than one place. While China may not be where those things were first discovered, they could still have invented them independently.
여러 곳에서 "발명"된 것들이 많았다고 말하는 것이 공정하다고 생각합니다. 중국이 그 물건들이 처음 발견된 곳은 아닐지라도, 여전히 독자적으로 발명했을 수도 있습니다.
i think pyramids are a great example of this concept. various societies with sometimes no knowledge of one another building nearly identical structures at different points in history.
피라미드는 이 개념의 훌륭한 예라고 생각합니다. 때로는 서로에 대한 지식이 전혀 없는 다양한 사회들이 역사상 다른 시점에 거의 동일한 구조물을 건설했습니다.
Aliens 외계인
China had philosophy before everyone else did, what?!
중국은 다른 모든 나라보다 먼저 철학을 가졌다고요, 뭐라고?!
Yeah Chinese philosophy is considered among the first proper philosophy with Indian's philosophy, and Greeks comes just after. . There's some older text from egyptian or mesopotamian that some people consider also as philosophy, but other people say this is more like religious code of conduct.
네, 중국 철학은 인도 철학과 함께 최초의 제대로 된 철학으로 간주되며, 그 다음이 그리스 철학입니다. 이집트나 메소포타미아의 더 오래된 텍스트도 일부 사람들은 철학으로 간주하지만, 다른 사람들은 이것을 종교적 행동 강령에 더 가깝다고 말합니다.
Chinese history is great and all but we don’t need to over blow shit out of the waters, the earliest works that can be considered philosophical works in China is called the Hundred Schools of Thought which began at the end of Spring and autumn period and the beginning of the Warring states period 500 – 221 BC
중국 역사는 훌륭하지만, 과장할 필요는 없습니다. 중국에서 철학적 작품으로 간주될 수 있는 가장 초기의 작품은 백가쟁명(百家爭鳴)으로, 춘추 말기와 전국 초기에 해당하는 기원전 500년에서 221년 사이에 시작되었습니다.
This is more complicated than that, but I think you're right.
이 문제는 그것보다 더 복잡하지만, 당신 말이 맞는 것 같습니다.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching
Everything in life is more complicated than a Reddit comment, I guess, I love btw that you actually went on to expand more on a half my assed comment while I was taking a shit, and I like this kind of discussion (or at least where it is going), but yes you can even consider the start of philosophy is with the invention of writing because people started communicating and sharing ideas through large distances and through times.
인생의 모든 것은 Reddit 댓글보다 더 복잡한 것 같아요. 그런데 화장실에 가 있는 동안 제가 대충 쓴 댓글에 대해 실제로 더 확장해서 이야기해 주신 점이 정말 좋고, 이런 종류의 토론(적어도 지금 가고 있는 방향)은 마음에 들어요. 하지만 철학의 시작을 글쓰기의 발명과 함께 본다고 해도 무방해요. 사람들이 먼 거리와 시간을 넘어 아이디어를 소통하고 공유하기 시작했으니까요.
you can even consider The Epic of Gilgamesh as the first work of philosophy where the author teaches you the value of friendship, acceptance of a person’s mortality, the role of Gods and gaining wisdom through an actual experience.
길가메시 서사시를 철학의 첫 작품으로 간주할 수도 있어요. 그 작품에서 저자는 우정의 가치, 인간의 죽음 수용, 신들의 역할, 그리고 실제 경험을 통한 지혜 획득을 가르치니까요.
But whether it qualifies as a work of philosophy depends on the lens you’re using, yes it does have some existential elements and challenges, but also no it reaches those conclusions without using any formal sense of logical argument or systemic reasoning (ei: humans are birds without feathers and Diogenes barking in the background)
하지만 그것이 철학 작품으로 인정받는지는 당신이 사용하는 관점에 달려 있어요. 분명히 존재론적 요소와 도전 과제가 있긴 하지만, 형식적인 논리적 주장이나 체계적인 추론(예: 인간은 깃털 없는 새이고 디오게네스가 배경에서 짖고 있다)을 사용하지 않고 그런 결론에 도달하기 때문에 아니라고도 할 수 있죠.
Copyright? Yes I copy right.
저작권? 네, 저는 저작권을 복사합니다.
They dont have to worry about intelectual property, and that's awesome
그들은 지적 재산권에 대해 걱정할 필요가 없으며, 그것이 정말 멋집니다
A lot of tech that in antiquity; gunpowder, printing, paper, crossbows etc was first invented in china.
고대에 발명된 많은 기술들, 예를 들어 화약, 인쇄술, 종이, 석궁 등은 모두 중국에서 처음 발명되었습니다.
Europe just did it at scale
유럽은 방금 대규모로 해냈습니다
And then people will provoking the users to not use the Chinese products because it's propaganda, CCP and remembering the Tiananmen tragedy.
그리고 사람들은 선전, 중국 공산당, 그리고 톈안먼 참사를 기억하며 사용자들이 중국 제품을 사용하지 않도록 자극할 것입니다.
Modern Chinese products are vastly different from ancient Chinese technologies.
현대 중국 제품은 고대 중국 기술과는 매우 다릅니다.
you say this like a joke but it is a real thing now, just ask Nvidia
농담처럼 말하지만 이제는 진짜 일입니다, 그냥 엔비디아에 물어보세요.
ctrl + prt scrn
OP should pay you at least $0.78 for this secret tip
OP는 이 비밀 팁에 대해 적어도 $0.78를 지불해야 합니다
Windows key + Shift + S as must fancy keyboards make you jump through hoops to get to print screen these days.
요즘에는 인쇄 화면에 접근하려면 고급 키보드 때문에 Windows 키 + Shift + S를 눌러야 합니다.
The Claude API is also very expensive and that’s why I stopped using it
Claude API도 매우 비싸서 저는 사용을 중단했습니다
I'm using cursor and it's much more cheap proportionally. This should be impossible because I'm using the same model in cursor and in claude code.
저는 커서를 사용하고 있는데, 비례적으로 훨씬 저렴합니다. 같은 모델을 커서와 클로드 코드에서 사용하고 있기 때문에 이럴 수 없어야 합니다.
Context limits, VC money, Enterprise money supporting the entry level subs.
컨텍스트 제한, 벤처 캐피털 자금, 엔터프라이즈 자금이 초급 구독자를 지원하고 있습니다.
Someone is losing money somewhere. I noticed the same thing with GitHub Copilot running Sonnet.
어딘가에서 누군가 돈을 잃고 있습니다. 저는 Sonnet을 실행하는 GitHub Copilot에서도 같은 현상을 발견했습니다.
They don’t have to be losing money necessarily they just have opposing priorities.
그들이 반드시 돈을 잃고 있는 것은 아니고 단지 우선순위가 상반될 뿐입니다.
Cursor and Microsoft are aiming for the consumer money - so they have an incentive for well written RAG, etc to minimize costs. Whereas Claude code is on the enterprise side so they get to not worry about minimizing costs as much, and ship full context all the time
Cursor와 Microsoft는 소비자 돈을 목표로 하고 있어서 비용을 최소화하기 위해 잘 작성된 RAG 등에 인센티브가 있습니다. 반면 Claude 코드는 기업 쪽에 있어서 비용 최소화에 대해 크게 신경 쓰지 않고 항상 전체 컨텍스트를 제공할 수 있습니다.
is copilot running 3.7 yet?
copilot이 3.7 버전을 실행하고 있나요?
Yeah. And it's pretty epic. I haven't noticed the overengineering issues that other users have seen in other implementations. Just wham-bam code that works. Although this morning I asked it to add an easter egg to my kids' chore tracker and it added an entire mini game for them to play!!
네. 그리고 꽤 대단합니다. 다른 사용자들이 다른 구현에서 본 과도한 엔지니어링 문제는 전혀 느끼지 못했습니다. 그냥 바로 작동하는 코드입니다. 다만 오늘 아침에 아이들의 집안일 추적기에 이스터 에그를 추가해 달라고 했더니 아이들이 놀 수 있는 미니 게임 전체를 추가했어요!!
Claude Code doesn’t use tricks to limit the cost as much as possible. That makes it much more powerful, but also makes it more expensive.
Claude Code는 비용을 최대한 제한하기 위한 트릭을 사용하지 않습니다. 이것이 훨씬 더 강력하게 만들지만, 동시에 더 비싸게 만듭니다.
You could try frequently using /compact in Claude code to limit the cost a bit.
Claude Code에서 /compact를 자주 사용하여 비용을 약간 제한해 볼 수 있습니다.
So along with the stuff Hyper mentioned, cursor is also buying API usage in bulk. You know on the token purchase page where it says “contact us for enterprise” or business or something like that. This is basically contacting them to work out a custom price for API normally much better to than what an individual would pay. Tho you got the right idea, cursor will save you a lot of money. Look into setting up some mpc tools that better vectorize context from your code base and you’ll have much better context length. Also avoid 3.7 max, and only use thinking in the chat mode for pre planning. Let 3.7 normal or even 3.5 do the lifting after that just make it very clear they should follow the plan in the prior message. I get 80% successes rate, and normally the other 20% gets me close enough to at least see the issue better and solve it myself.
그래서 Hyper가 언급한 내용과 함께, cursor도 API 사용량을 대량으로 구매하고 있습니다. 토큰 구매 페이지에서 "기업용 문의" 또는 비즈니스 관련 문구가 있는 곳을 아실 텐데요. 기본적으로 이는 개별 사용자가 지불하는 것보다 훨씬 나은 맞춤 가격을 협상하기 위해 그들에게 연락하는 것입니다. 당신이 올바른 생각을 했고, cursor는 많은 비용을 절약해 줄 것입니다. 코드 베이스에서 더 나은 컨텍스트 벡터화를 위해 mpc 도구 설정을 살펴보세요. 그러면 훨씬 더 긴 컨텍스트 길이를 얻을 수 있습니다. 또한 3.7 max는 피하고, 사전 계획을 위해 채팅 모드에서만 thinking을 사용하세요. 그 후에는 3.7 normal이나 심지어 3.5가 작업을 수행하게 하고, 이전 메시지의 계획을 반드시 따르도록 명확히 하세요. 저는 80% 성공률을 얻고, 나머지 20%도 문제를 더 잘 파악하고 스스로 해결할 수 있을 정도로 충분히 가깝게 만듭니다.
just write a selenium script that interfaces with the web version lol
그냥 웹 버전과 인터페이스하는 셀레니움 스크립트를 작성하세요 ㅋㅋ
gpt4free did that with bing lol
gpt4free가 빙과 함께 그렇게 했어요 ㅋㅋ
I had a long, protracted discussion with someone who would violently insist I was lying because of how Claude Code could be so expensive depending on how you use it.
나는 누군가와 긴, 지루한 논쟁을 했는데, 그 사람은 Claude Code가 어떻게 사용하느냐에 따라 그렇게 비쌀 수 있다는 점 때문에 내가 거짓말을 한다고 격렬하게 주장했어요.
I was explaining this to someone yesterday and they decided to try themselves with my account. We put $20 in and tried to get Claude Code to refactor a project and optimize it, with a secondary goal of making it smaller due to many redundancies and organic code that had kept growing with the project but was now not in use.
어제 누군가에게 이 점을 설명하고 있었는데, 그 사람이 내 계정으로 직접 시도해보기로 했어요. 우리는 20달러를 넣고 Claude Code에게 프로젝트를 리팩토링하고 최적화하도록 시도했으며, 부차적인 목표로는 많은 중복과 프로젝트가 진행되면서 점점 커졌지만 이제는 사용되지 않는 유기적인 코드를 줄여서 더 작게 만드는 것이었어요.
Claude Code spent $21 and ended up with a version of the code twice as long with over a hundred major compilation problems that needed to be solved and even more complexity than before.
Claude Code는 21달러를 사용했고, 결과적으로 코드가 두 배로 길어졌으며 해결해야 할 주요 컴파일 문제만 백 개가 넘었고 이전보다 더 복잡해졌어요.
Like I said in that stupid thread: It's 100% the users' job to keep Claude handrailed so it doesn't go off on its own but that's not how it's being marketed. If the default is for it to be like this and you need to know beforehand how to work with it then it's not just a "skill issue" and it becomes part of how it's designed.
내가 그 멍청한 스레드에서 말했듯이: 클로드가 혼자서 엉뚱한 방향으로 가지 않도록 손잡이를 잡아주는 것은 100% 사용자 책임이지만, 그렇게 마케팅되고 있지 않다. 기본 설정이 이렇게 되어 있고 미리 어떻게 다뤄야 하는지 알아야 한다면, 단순한 "기술 문제"가 아니라 설계 방식의 일부가 되는 것이다.
Well said, but the burden is shared with Anthropic IMO. I downloaded Claude code, did 1 prompt, and clicked continue as long as it wanted. It took about 5 minutes of processing, it used about $1.25 and it didn't fix the problem.
잘 말했어, 하지만 책임은 내 생각에 Anthropic과도 공유되어야 해. 나는 클로드 코드를 다운로드해서 프롬프트 하나를 입력하고 계속 진행 버튼을 눌렀어. 약 5분간 처리했고, 약 1.25달러를 썼지만 문제는 해결되지 않았어.
Hard to imagine this scenario is all my fault for not using proper gaurdrails.
적절한 가드레일을 사용하지 않은 내 잘못이라고 상상하기 어렵다.
You're absolutely right, as our buddy would say.
네 말이 절대적으로 맞아, 우리 친구가 말하듯이.
What I meant is that it's the user's fault if they continue spending without getting results. It's a service optimized for bleeding credits so there's no "fault" to its eyes.
제 말은, 결과를 얻지 못하면서 계속 비용을 지출하는 것은 사용자 잘못이라는 뜻입니다. 이 서비스는 크레딧을 소모하도록 최적화되어 있어서 시스템 입장에서는 "잘못"이 없습니다.
The user should realize this and stop and regroup. To their credit (heh) there is the "/cost" command that lets you see how much money you're throwing out the window.
사용자는 이를 인지하고 중단한 후 재정비해야 합니다. 다행히도 "/cost" 명령어가 있어서 자신이 얼마나 많은 돈을 낭비하고 있는지 확인할 수 있습니다.
I meant it a little in a "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" way.
저는 약간 "한 번 속으면 상대방 탓, 두 번 속으면 내 탓"이라는 의미로 말한 것입니다.
Ye I've burned out 40usd doing some testing like you did and it feels terrible that you get charged for wrong things that are not working and or miss interpreted and then you have to pay again just to try and make it fix the mess.. Api is a scam, in the web you pay flat and go step by step, if anything you are timed out couple of hours but the work done in that time it's like 2 weeks of doing it on your own so.
네, 저도 당신처럼 테스트하다가 40달러를 써버렸고, 작동하지 않거나 오해된 잘못된 것들에 대해 비용이 청구되는 게 정말 끔찍하게 느껴졌습니다. 그리고 그 문제를 해결하려고 다시 비용을 내야 하죠.. API는 사기 같아요. 웹에서는 고정 요금을 내고 단계별로 진행하는데, 시간 초과가 몇 시간 있을 뿐이지만 그 시간 동안 한 작업은 혼자서 2주 동안 하는 것과 같습니다.
this. 이것.
I decided to donate $5 to Amazon/Anthropic to experiment with claude-code.
저는 claude-code를 실험해보기 위해 Amazon/Anthropic에 5달러를 기부하기로 결정했습니다.
Asked it to build a simple Android widget from scratch. It did ok creating the project and initial files. But when prompted with more specific requirements went off into the weeds. At one point generating software with simple build errors, software that would not build against the targeted SDK, bugs when rendering the UI, etc. Spent about $1.00 getting 80% of the way to implementation and then $4.00 getting the other 20%.
간단한 안드로이드 위젯을 처음부터 만들어 달라고 요청했습니다. 프로젝트와 초기 파일을 만드는 데는 괜찮게 했습니다. 하지만 더 구체적인 요구사항을 제시하자 엉뚱한 방향으로 갔습니다. 한때는 간단한 빌드 오류가 있는 소프트웨어를 생성했고, 대상 SDK에 맞게 빌드되지 않는 소프트웨어, UI 렌더링 시 버그 등이 있었습니다. 구현의 80%를 완성하는 데 약 1달러를 쓰고 나머지 20%를 완성하는 데 4달러를 썼습니다.
Which now that I think about it, is about the same effort/cost ratio as humans...
지금 생각해보니, 이건 인간과 거의 같은 노력/비용 비율인 것 같습니다...
It is however frustrating that you spend to fix it's own errors.
그러나 자신의 오류를 수정하는 데 비용을 지출해야 한다는 점이 답답합니다.
In the Web it's also easy to go back, edit a question and get a better answer after you've tried a response and it didn't work out.
웹에서는 답변이 잘못되었을 때 질문으로 돌아가서 수정하고 더 나은 답변을 얻는 것이 쉽습니다.
In my case I decided to let it run the $20 just to see what would happen, as I considered that a sunk cost already and there was no useful turning back. At one point it started asking permission to run shell one liners that kept failing due to some very obvious errors. Each one with their corresponding tokens spent of course.
제 경우에는 이미 손실된 비용으로 간주하고 되돌릴 수 없다고 생각하여 $20을 그냥 사용해 보기로 했습니다. 어느 순간에는 명백한 오류로 계속 실패하는 셸 원라이너 실행 권한을 요청하기 시작했습니다. 물론 각각에 해당하는 토큰이 소모되었습니다.
Exact same experience 똑같은 경험입니다.
I find it to be very inexpensive compared to my cost from a company perspective. < $1 to fix some unittests? Amazing.
My last open router month’s spend was $988. But it was totally worth it—I am working at a FAANG company plus two startups
Wow! But is good if you have conditions and it worked for you! I wish have this condition.
Yeah same same, I am currently working in every single one of faang companies all at the same time and 17 startups, my opentouter spend is 7 billion dollar but it's simple enough to afford with all of my jobs, trust me bro
How much are you earning from each position, and is it worth the hassle juggling 3 jobs?
You can get very similar functionality using a combination of MCP servers with the Claude desktop app just fyi
Thank you! I will check it!
hi :) do you mind sharing what your setup is with MCP servers and which ones you use to do what claude code can do? thank you!
Solution: use Claude desktop app with MCPs (https://www.claudemcp.com/) it's the real secret, you get a lot more for your bucks + codes way better than Claude code (yes it's possible) in my experience. Probably the most powerful combo in the market as of now with Cursor (on claude) + MCP.
That is not Anthropics site, they scraped it.
This. MCP has been a game changer for me.
Wich mcp server would you recommend, I'm an angular,c#,azure sql developer
You need to do a tour and see for yourself on the MCPs directories like https://smithery.ai
Any good guide on how to set this up?
It is expensive but rightfully so. From my understating it takes as input always the entire chat, which makes it solve problems that I could not solve with cursor. Even better, they accidentally released the code for “claude code” so that you can plug in cheaper models like gemini or even local Models! https://github.com/dnakov/anon-kode
It's the best out there currently
Do you know how it compares to Cursor’s coding agent? I was under the impression that was the best if not, now the second best. I’m not deep into it so I don’t know how Cursor provides their agents whether they’re APIs you can connect or custom in house.
Oh wow, thansk for the heads up. Will not get into this, thats for sure.
You might want to check dllm, https://youtu.be/X1rD3NhlIcE?si=wecYJVUyNf1EEj1j
In less than a week, I spent almost $200
Wait for the chinese to make it cheaper. Once deepseek scales up I am cancelling all my subscription
This was likely the part that cost the most. Claude Code simply uses the API which is metered at the standard per-token rate. What's happening is Claude Code is using a lot of input and output tokens to do its work. When it looks through a lot of code, that's a lot of tokens, and it adds up fast.
I make a habit of running
/costfrequently, and particularly after it does anything that takes more than, idk, ~20-30 seconds.. because that generally means a lot of API activity.one thing to consider is that the cost is front loaded to the first few prompts because of the high amount of input tokens in a large project.
I mean it’s all new. Of course we’re gonna hit into issues and stupid things Claude does.
You are literally flushing out the cases they haven’t been able to figure out.
Yes at the price of your pocket. Cause again it’s so new, you should have expected this lmao. Share the feedback with Claude so they can improve.
God praise cursor!
Agree it is super pricey, but it is also very good and when you put it towards hourly rate and time saved, I think many people will profit from it. Wait for ChatGPT to be credit based too.
Don’t worry, deep seek will drop these prices ;)
Just use cline.
Doing it right now!
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Perfect! I have LMstudio and ollama for testing and exactly yesterday I was thinking of use Qwen2 locally. What is your experience comparing qwen with claude? A on kode and claude code is basically the same client.
Give it few hundreds prompts and you have spent RTX 3090 on which you can run something like QwQ
I tried code with $10 in credit. Loaded up a medium sized project I'm working on, and it cost 0.5$ just to initialize, then I gave it a simple task, which cost $2 (delete some files and commit the changes). After that I tried a fairly easy task, but a little more complex than the first one and it spent the remaining balance making code that didn't build, and hallucinating various api calls that didnt exist. It would have been much quicker to just do it manually, or using the web chat. It's basically completely useless now.
Who else misread "Claude Code is insane" and wanted more details
Not sure why americans keep saying it. It is insanely cheap. An enormous productivity boost for what is not even 5% of your salary.
I'm Brazilian... This means my salary will over within first week with this cost.
Pra nós é foda mesmo haha
Tô usando também e o bolso tá doendo kk
Pensem no lado positivo, nos somos mais baratos que as IAs, vamos durar uns meses a mais antes da grande subistutuição.
When someone says "enormous productivity boost", it's hard to distinguish an overhyped reaction from a true feedback based on real use cases. If my employer doubles my salary because now I'm twice more productive, that would be a great metric. But if my salary stays the same while I'm spending additional money on API, can I truly claim the enormous productivity boost? Or, if AI does some test writing for me, while I'm chatting here on Reddit. Not sure I can call it a productivity boost. Cost complaints are also feedback. And it is based on some solid metrics like the diff in your cash balance between yesterday and today.
At this stage, nearly all the productivity gains accrue to the worker. So you can do the same job in fewer hours and have way less stress.
It would make your life substantially easier in times of greatest pressure, as you can devolve these processes to an API. That's how it really improves productivity generally.
Additionally, knowledge work is not a linear process of problem solving from A to Z. It requires dozens of conversations and threads that go nowhere and it's why we pay knowledge workers oodles of money because whilst we've to systematise these processes to some extent, they aren't simply automated.
As a knowledge worker, I'd pay $1000 for an API during the busiest part of my year to complete some of my simplest tasks. Even if you wouldn't call it a productivity improvement, I'd absolutely call it a quality of life improvement.
There is a developing reddit culture of people who don't understand how to use LLMs productively, feel gaslit by people sharing their success with it, and as a cope try to create a fantasy narrative that Claude is incredibly expensive or just creates errors. See eduo just above as an example. They're in almost every thread making negative stories up. e.g. recently made up that they spent money faster than API rate limits + costs actually allow for.
For about $1,000 in API costs over the past 4 months I've been able to avoid hiring a developer, which would have run me about $45,000. "Expensive" indeed.
Yes, it is Skill Issue all the way down
You have to consider the context and the project. The very first thing the own Anthropic recomends (and it's documented) it to give the overview of the project. Only this cost me $0.50 and my project is simple.
Except what you described is not what is in the documents. You’re supposed to run /init in Claude Code to have it build CLAUDE.md. You don’t know what you’re doing. Try asking and learning instead of making big public statements like “Claude Code is insanely expensive!” after accruing 10 minutes of experience.
What you said have nothing to do with the price. Claude continues expensive in a way or other. Assuming it is a AI, it suppose to do complex tasks that don't worth our time or effort. So far the only way to keep it cheap is asking to do simple tasks that I can do by my self without the need of the AI.
Of course it does. If you're not working efficiently with the LLM, it will cost more to use. If I give it a prompt where it reads my entire codebase before making a tiny change, it will cost much more than if I prompt it to make the change with the minimal necessary context.
The point of what I said is "How you use the LLM affects the cost dramatically. Your post makes clear that you are a novice and misusing the LLM. Ineffective prompting by a novice will drive costs up."
I understood this point and I agree.
AI is like a super powerful child. You have to guide it. And watch it.
But still expensive if you think you can pay $1 to make AI put together your project docs that already exists.
In this case, I doubt I could decrease the cost using a different prompt. What I think I could do is give the patch and the name of each doc and ask to organize it.
But if I do this, I believe is better to do the job by my self because there were many docs to find.
Also, each model have your own behavior. I noted, for instance, claude 3.5 lost the track very easy and starts a loop looking for a fix and applying it. So, many prompts are almost redundant to avoid th AI burn tokens drifting.
Maybe ahead, when the project would be implemented and running, minor changes would be done using that claude. But right know I'm using to help me to build up the basis.
Depending on what you're doing, it's not even close to making up of 5% of your salary.
The issue is people talking about wildly diverse scenarios as if there was just one, so people keep talking past each other without ever giving any actually useful experience or advice.
It's the best out there currently!
Are there any alternatives with the same functionality?
GitHub copilot in vscode
aider is similar but not really better
How much would a dev charge?
It depends (mainly) where you live.
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